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[DT.]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

below was short news at 2 pm today.
SENIOR AIDES OF TWO LEADERS IN CYPRUS MEET AGAIN AT LEDRA PALACE HOTEL.
Senior aides of the two leaders in Cyprus will meet again this afternoon to continue their fork on the establishment of experts’ working groups and technical committees.
Ozdil Nami and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias’ adviser Yorgos Yakovu will meet at 3 o’clock at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone in Lefkosa.
The two men aim to conclude their work on the setting of the agendas of the working groups and technical committees by the end of the week-end.

Somehow I don't feel entirely safe with George "I just want to sleep" Iacovou handling our side.

[halil]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

below was short news at 2 pm today.
SENIOR AIDES OF TWO LEADERS IN CYPRUS MEET AGAIN AT LEDRA PALACE HOTEL.
Senior aides of the two leaders in Cyprus will meet again this afternoon to continue their fork on the establishment of experts’ working groups and technical committees.
Ozdil Nami and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias’ adviser Yorgos Yakovu will meet at 3 o’clock at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone in Lefkosa.
The two men aim to conclude their work on the setting of the agendas of the working groups and technical committees by the end of the week-end.

Somehow I don't feel entirely safe with George "I just want to sleep" Iacovou handling our side.

DT, we turkified his name as well..... now time is coming for your name ..... your one will be ....... ??????

[Eric dayi]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

below was short news at 2 pm today.
SENIOR AIDES OF TWO LEADERS IN CYPRUS MEET AGAIN AT LEDRA PALACE HOTEL.
Senior aides of the two leaders in Cyprus will meet again this afternoon to continue their fork on the establishment of experts’ working groups and technical committees.
Ozdil Nami and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias’ adviser Yorgos Yakovu will meet at 3 o’clock at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone in Lefkosa.
The two men aim to conclude their work on the setting of the agendas of the working groups and technical committees by the end of the week-end.

Somehow I don't feel entirely safe with George "I just want to sleep" Iacovou handling our side.

DT, we turkified his name as well..... now time is coming for your name ..... your one will be ....... ??????

Dogan Turkoglu.

[purdey]

SUN, SEA, AND KEBABS...

[Eric dayi]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

below was short news at 2 pm today.
SENIOR AIDES OF TWO LEADERS IN CYPRUS MEET AGAIN AT LEDRA PALACE HOTEL.
Senior aides of the two leaders in Cyprus will meet again this afternoon to continue their fork on the establishment of experts’ working groups and technical committees.
Ozdil Nami and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias’ adviser Yorgos Yakovu will meet at 3 o’clock at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone in Lefkosa.
The two men aim to conclude their work on the setting of the agendas of the working groups and technical committees by the end of the week-end.

Somehow I don't feel entirely safe with George "I just want to sleep" Iacovou handling our side.

You don't feel safe? How do you think we feel at the hands of the Greeks/GCs?

But don't worry, given your history at creating Myths and lies I'm sure you Greeks/GCs will find a lie to sabotage the talks and create more Myths and lies.

[Kikapu]

COMING less than two weeks after a three-day visit to the north of the island by the Turkish military Chief of Staff Yasar Buyukanit, the arrival in Cyprus yesterday of the Commander of the Turkish Army Ilker Basbug has raised questions about the Turkish military’s view of a recent thaw in relations between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities.

The answer is blindingly simple...The Generals want to remind Talat and the world who is calling the shots in any possible solution...The message is,"don't raise your hopes too high,don't think you are going to come to an agreement the Turkish Army would not approve beforehand!"...


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38614

Welcome back Bir.

It's funny how I don't hear all the NeoPartionist defending the Generals positions. They have all lost their tongues it seems. It must be the shock of being embarrassed and shown to be liars by the Turkish Generals. Since I've been on the forum, the NeoPartitonist kept on complaining why PapaD should deal with Talat and not Turkey, because it was Talat who was in charge and the only person to talk to. Well, it has been proven beyond any doubt, that Talat does what he is told. The TC's do not need a "President" for them to negotiate any peace with the RoC, when even a ONE star General will do. So, all you NeoPartitionist, I do not want to hear anymore crap about how Talat is in charge. For the amount of "good" he does for the peace process, I would start charging him rent for his lodging at the "Presidential Palace" or has the "TRNC" become a welfare state for the FAT CATS.??

Here is the funny part of the Generals visit. They have been given the "Red Carpet" treatment. Lets not forget Gul was there also not so long ago. The funny part is, that it is announced in advance to make it like an official state visit. Why.?? If the generals want to visit their troops in a foreign land, what's with the big announcement. He can just fly in or take the ferry, or come on one of the assault ships, and see his troops. They do not have any elected political positions, so why are the "TRNC's" elected officials are tripping all over themselves to have their pictures taken with the Generals. I can understand with Gul, but the Generals.?? It's not as if he has come to decorate his troops for bravery and valour in the battle fields on the front line.

Well, it is more than clear, that Christofias should ignore Talat and just talk with the Generals, and from what they are asking, which is no different than the Annan Plan 2004, then I do not see any reason to continue talking about a settlement. It sounds more like "take it or leave it" by the Generals. But my guess is, Christofias is not going to fall for that trap, to put the whole repeat AP up for another referendum, so that it can be voted down by the GC's, so that the "TRNC" can claim the "high road" victory to put the focus on the GC's for refusing to have peace once again, so that the "TRNC" can try to get International support for lifting the embargoes. I believe, Christofias will put the focus on the Turkish Military as being the obstacle for peace by not allowing the TC's to act in their own best interest, and end the talks.

The Turkish Military will be blamed for the failures of the talks as being the occupying force, which is how the International community sees it as, despite what the Generals are saying, about being only a "Peace Force". The whole impetus will be put on the Generals and their demands being the reason why the talks have failed, and Talat will walk away with a Egg-Fu-Young on his face for being an impotent leader. Next talks will be when the Turkish Politicians in Turkey are in charge and want to cut a deal with the RoC to let them into the EU. As to when that may be, is any one's guess. In the meantime, the South goes about it's business developing, while the North continue to struggle economically and paying Talat's rent on his "Presidential Palace" for nothing.

Of course, I would like to be proven wrong with my assessments and with my above comments, and that Talat is more than I have given him credit (lack of) for.

[zan]

That's funny Bir, because when Buyukanit AND Erdogan openly state that the army will gradually retreat once a lasting solution has been found, no one takes them seriously, but when certain high ranking officers come to the island everyone can quickly read all sorts of messages from their actions alone.

There is no winning with you people and your prejudices.

Could that be because we know what we are talking about?
That we are amazed that as soon as some new hope arises for a solution in Cyprus, the present Chief and the future Chief-of-staff of the Turkish Army rush over to tell us what is and what is not acceptable???

Could it be that ,living in a democratic country,some of us are totally bewildered what gives these generals the power to dictate foreign and international affairs policy to their own civilian government??? Let alone a "foreign" so-called government!!!

Can I just ask what you think Tpap is doing at the moment Bir????What is going on in the South do you think???.........Do you really believe that he is out of the picture and this whole thing with reunification is going to go smoothly with no tricks???......

You asked me to ask the GCs to return to the Zurich agreement and I have been doing so since then....Have you seen any changes that reinforce your views that they are happy to do so????......

They have Greece on their side and we have Turkey.....What the army are saying is that we are in these talks as equals and without the that recognition then the talks are starting off on the wrong foot. We are not asking for some Greek land but for part of our own country and a part in our own countries running. The whole point of their side is to show that we are the underdogs in the whole affair and the Turkish army are saying, WE are saying, that we are not...We are equals and that is that.

You really need to sort yourself out with this hate you have...It has been a long time since you got burned......Time to move on...As you keep reminding others...Except yours is personal!!!!!!

[Viewpoint]

COMING less than two weeks after a three-day visit to the north of the island by the Turkish military Chief of Staff Yasar Buyukanit, the arrival in Cyprus yesterday of the Commander of the Turkish Army Ilker Basbug has raised questions about the Turkish military’s view of a recent thaw in relations between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities.

The answer is blindingly simple...The Generals want to remind Talat and the world who is calling the shots in any possible solution...The message is,"don't raise your hopes too high,don't think you are going to come to an agreement the Turkish Army would not approve beforehand!"...


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38614

Welcome back Bir.

It's funny how I don't hear all the NeoPartionist defending the Generals positions. They have all lost their tongues it seems. It must be the shock of being embarrassed and shown to be liars by the Turkish Generals. Since I've been on the forum, the NeoPartitonist kept on complaining why PapaD should deal with Talat and not Turkey, because it was Talat who was in charge and the only person to talk to. Well, it has been proven beyond any doubt, that Talat does what he is told. The TC's do not need a "President" for them to negotiate any peace with the RoC, when even a ONE star General will do. So, all you NeoPartitionist, I do not want to hear anymore crap about how Talat is in charge. For the amount of "good" he does for the peace process, I would start charging him rent for his lodging at the "Presidential Palace" or has the "TRNC" become a welfare state for the FAT CATS.??

Here is the funny part of the Generals visit. They have been given the "Red Carpet" treatment. Lets not forget Gul was there also not so long ago. The funny part is, that it is announced in advance to make it like an official state visit. Why.?? If the generals want to visit their troops in a foreign land, what's with the big announcement. He can just fly in or take the ferry, or come on one of the assault ships, and see his troops. They do not have any elected political positions, so why are the "TRNC's" elected officials are tripping all over themselves to have their pictures taken with the Generals. I can understand with Gul, but the Generals.?? It's not as if he has come to decorate his troops for bravery and valour in the battle fields on the front line.

Well, it is more than clear, that Christofias should ignore Talat and just talk with the Generals, and from what they are asking, which is no different than the Annan Plan 2004, then I do not see any reason to continue talking about a settlement. It sounds more like "take it or leave it" by the Generals. But my guess is, Christofias is not going to fall for that trap, to put the whole repeat AP up for another referendum, so that it can be voted down by the GC's, so that the "TRNC" can claim the "high road" victory to put the focus on the GC's for refusing to have peace once again, so that the "TRNC" can try to get International support for lifting the embargoes. I believe, Christofias will put the focus on the Turkish Military as being the obstacle for peace by not allowing the TC's to act in their own best interest, and end the talks.

The Turkish Military will be blamed for the failures of the talks as being the occupying force, which is how the International community sees it as, despite what the Generals are saying, about being only a "Peace Force". The whole impetus will be put on the Generals and their demands being the reason why the talks have failed, and Talat will walk away with a Egg-Fu-Young on his face for being an impotent leader. Next talks will be when the Turkish Politicians in Turkey are in charge and want to cut a deal with the RoC to let them into the EU. As to when that may be, is any one's guess. In the meantime, the South goes about it's business developing, while the North continue to struggle economically and paying Talat's rent on his "Presidential Palace" for nothing.

Of course, I would like to be proven wrong with my assessments and with my above comments, and that Talat is more than I have given him credit (lack of) for.

Mr Christofiyas cannot speak to the Turkish Generals.

[zan]

I don't know why you bothered to reply to this blinkered fool VP..........He really really believes that the "RoC" is running under its own steam.....How on earth you get fools like that to get their heads around a balanced view is beyond me but please keep trying.......You might just make a break through and establish a world wide treatment.........Or he could just be honest...there is that I suppose!!!

[growuptcs]

viewpoint wrote:

Mr Christofiyas cannot speak to the Turkish Generals.

Are you expecting us to talk to your "wizard of oz" then through a curtain?
All your tangible excuses ran dry, and something has to give and its not the GC's.