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[umit07]

The "small difference " bill has always been the back breaking part of everything. It's time we handle this difference instead of ignoring it .

[bill cobbett]

I don't care what you call my cousin Denktash ( I've called him stuff way way worse than that, fatso is funny no problem with that ) . The problem is Bill that if we accepted that the RoC aviation body is the sole body then we would have accepted that the RoC in further steps is the sole gov. on the island which as you know don't accept on the other hand you guys feel it would be recognising the TRNC . What are ways of getting past this? This might be a topic to discuss

Yes but for the last 34 years your leaders and mine have been sitting at the same table nogotiating and talking to one another. Only a couple of weeks ago Pres X and Mr T recognised eachother. We can't avoid recognising each other's governing body, no matter what each calls itself. Is this a problem of titles? You don't like RoC and I don't like tncr ?

On the subject of airports, where planes take off and they land. It seems pretty simple to me but of course being Cyps we are more than happy to make a mountain out of a molehill and then go on to cut off our noses to spite our faces.

[Piratis]

umit07, what I noticed is you want to bargain with what you stole from us. As you said, sorry but no go. You can win nothing on our loss by means of war. Get this into your head.

If you want to negotiate then we start from the only agreement we have, the 1960 one. So which of your rights of that agreement are you willing to give up, in order to take some other rights instead? If your proposal is balanced one and what you take is not less than what you are willing to give, then we might have an agreement.

Otherwise the 1959 agreements (which already favor you a lot by the way) do not change, and everything beyond that from your part constitutes a crime and illegality and you remain the outlaws that you have been for the past 34 years.

So if you want to negotiate, then we will negotiate based on your rights and our rights. If you want war, then you have war. As simple as that.

[Eric dayi]

umit07, what I noticed is you want to bargain with what you stole from us. As you said, sorry but no go. You can win nothing on our loss by means of war. Get this into your head.

If you want to negotiate then we start from the only agreement we have, the 1960 one. So which of your rights of that agreement are you willing to give up, in order to take some other rights instead? If your proposal is balanced one and what you take is not less than what you are willing to give, then we might have an agreement.

We are not prepared to give any of our rights away, why should we? We signed an agreement and you broke it and now you demand we give our rights away? You've got to be stupid to believe that! :roll::roll:

Otherwise the 1959 agreements (which already favor you a lot by the way) do not change, and everything beyond that from your part constitutes a crime and illegality and you remain the outlaws that you have been for the past 34 years.

You are the criminals and outlaws who went back on your word and tried to genocide us TCs for your illegal ENOSIS dream.

So if you want to negotiate, then we will negotiate based on your rights and our rights. If you want war, then you have war. As simple as that.

If we wanted war you fool we would have started one by now and have taken the whole of Cyprus and kicked you criminals who attempted to genocide us TCs and steal our lands out.

[Big Al]

umit07, what I noticed is you want to bargain with what you stole from us. As you said, sorry but no go. You can win nothing on our loss by means of war. Get this into your head.

If you want to negotiate then we start from the only agreement we have, the 1960 one. So which of your rights of that agreement are you willing to give up, in order to take some other rights instead? If your proposal is balanced one and what you take is not less than what you are willing to give, then we might have an agreement.

Otherwise the 1959 agreements (which already favor you a lot by the way) do not change, and everything beyond that from your part constitutes a crime and illegality and you remain the outlaws that you have been for the past 34 years.

So if you want to negotiate, then we will negotiate based on your rights and our rights. If you want war, then you have war. As simple as that.

Piratis, Lets look at some facts..
* Northern Cyprus does not belong to you or any other GC. Any claims you had to it evaporated in 1974.
* Any hopes of a unified cyprus under GC control is not acceptable to TC's, the status quo is a more attractive option.
* Trying to get TC to give up autonomy to become a minority in your Cyprus is almost comical, its like being asked to give up your 2008 Merc for a donkey, would you do it??
* TC have just as much right to be on Cyprus as GC, and if we choose to have immigrants come into our country, no matter where they are from, thats our business. Similarly, if we choose to bolster our military through having Turkish troops stationed there, its our business.
* Making things hard for TC and Turkey only strengthens our resolve to not be governed by GC's.
* Any agreement must maintain self governance and autonomy for TC, otherwise NO DEAL.

If you accept these points then maybe we can then start to negotiate.

[Get Real!]

If we wanted war you fool we would have started one by now and have taken the whole of Cyprus and kicked you criminals who attempted to genocide us TCs and steal our lands out.

That's entirely based on the assumption that your miniscule community would survive such a war to reap any rewards...

[umit07]

Sorry Pirartis who do you think had been gaining on our loss between 63-74 wasn't it you? You gained a lot more than us , you gained the title of the legitimate gov. of the entire island before 74!! That was the biggest loss we suffered .

[Get Real!]

Piratis, Lets look at some facts..
* Northern Cyprus does not belong to you or any other GC. Any claims you had to it evaporated in 1974.

In accordance with international law, the northern section of Cyprus is under an illegal foreign military occupation, and for as long as that holds true your "fact" above is as volatile as a computer's RAM.

[Big Al]

GR,
What is you wish for in Cyprus?
For Turkey to leave Nth Cyprus?
For boarders to be removed?
For all GC's to return to their homes in Nth Cyprus and have TC live in enclaves again?
For your government to govern the whole country?
For everyone to have an equal vote, so basically you as the majority to dictate to TC how Cyprus will be run?
For TC to relinquish their Turkic heritage and adopt a "Cypriot one"?.
To have all Turkish immigrants kicked out of Cyprus?

i assume you want all of the above, now as a rational human being, do you honestly believe TCs and GCs can Negotiate a deal based on the fact that 99% of GC want the above too????
Do you honestly believe TC's are willing to give all of this up???
Absolutely no chance in the world any deal can be reached beacause negotiation means giving up things like above, and neither side is willing to do that. And i am glad that GC's have such unrealistic demands, it makes permanent partition the only soltion.

[Big Al]

GR????
Where are you?