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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:06 pm

Is that the reason to make it illegal for discussion in Turkey?? I prefer the Austrian and German archives since they were your allies and have nothing to hide.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:06 pm

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Oracle wrote:Please leave me out of your mud-slinging fiasco ... I was just adding my voice in disbelief at the highlighted statement, because as far as I am concerned it was such a blatant attempt to erase history that I could not believe someone would say something like that against all the accepted evidence ......

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Resolutions and Declarations by National States and Parliaments

For the complete list of all international affirmations of the Armenian Genocide please visit the Armenian National Institute Website at www.armenian-genocide.org Where possible the debates that accompanied the resolution have been included.

U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, House Resolution 106 passed by 27 votes – October 2007

EDM 1454 - Assyrian & Armenian Genocide in 1915 - Sponsor: Stephen Pound, MP, January 24, 2006

City of Edinburgh Council Recognises the Armenian Genocide, November 17, 2005

Netherlands Parliament Recognises the Armenian Genocide, December 21, 2004

Slovakian Parliament Recognises the Armenian Genocide, December 2, 2004

Canada Recognises the Armenian Genocide, April 21, 2004

Canadian Senate Resolution, June 13, 2002 (Read the debate here)

European Parliment Resolution, February 28, 2002 (Read the debate here)

Common Declaration of His Holiness John Paul II and His Holiness Karekin II at Holy Etchmiadzin, Republic of Armenia, September 27, 2001

Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, April 24, 2001

French Law, 2001

Italian Chamber of Deputies Resolution, November 16, 2000

European Parliament Resolution, November 15, 2000 (Read the debate here)

Vatican City, November 10, 2000

French National Senate, November 7, 2000

Lebanese Parliament Resolution, May 11, 2000

Swedish Parliament, March 29, 2000

French National Assembly, May 28, 1998

Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, April 24, 1998

Belgian Senate Resolution, March 26, 1998

Lebanese Chamber of Deputies Resolution, April 3, 1997

U.S. House of Representatives Resolution 3540, June 11, 1996 (Read the debate here)

Hellenic (Greek) Parliament Resolution, April 25, 1996

Canadian House of Commons Resolution, April 23, 1996 (Read the debate here)

Russian Duma Resolution, April 14, 1995

Argentinean Senate Resolution, May 5, 1993

European Parliament Resolution, June 18, 1987

U.S. House of Representatives Joint Resolution 247, September 12, 1984

Cypriot House of Representatives Resolution, April 29, 1982

U.S. House of Representatives Joint Resolution 148, April 9, 1975

Uruguayan Senate and House of Representatives, April 20, 1965

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You managed to erase/manipulate the recent Cypriot history, and we're only talking 45 years ago.

The ottoman archives are there for all to see. It was the Kurds. This is conspiracy against Turkey, simple as that.

You've listed the believers, now list the non believers.


Eeeermmm ...... you! ... and eerrmmmm ...... just you! :?
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Postby unitedwestand » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:17 pm

Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:23 pm

unitedwestand wrote:Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.

5% is many?? :lol: :lol: If there is nothing to hide why donesnt Turkey legalise the discussion of this topic?? Why isnt it illegal for us Cypriots to dicuss the Psuedo Genocide of 3 TCS?? Maybe because it never happened! :wink:
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Postby unitedwestand » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:35 pm

ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.

5% is many?? :lol: :lol: If there is nothing to hide why donesnt Turkey legalise the discussion of this topic?? Why isnt it illegal for us Cypriots to dicuss the Psuedo Genocide of 3 TCS?? Maybe because it never happened! :wink:


You believe what you want AC. I know many Armenians around the world who would argue otherwise. As for the sufferings of TCs, again believe what you want to believe. Its obvious the rest of the world is wiser to the Cyprob now, the GCs can no longer get away with murder.
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:48 pm

unitedwestand wrote:
ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.

5% is many?? :lol: :lol: If there is nothing to hide why donesnt Turkey legalise the discussion of this topic?? Why isnt it illegal for us Cypriots to dicuss the Psuedo Genocide of 3 TCS?? Maybe because it never happened! :wink:


You believe what you want AC. I know many Armenians around the world who would argue otherwise. As for the sufferings of TCs, again believe what you want to believe. Its obvious the rest of the world is wiser to the Cyprob now, the GCs can no longer get away with murder.

I may not agree with your points, but I respect the fact that you didnt attack me in a racist manner unlike the other two,
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Postby unitedwestand » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:32 pm

ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:
ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:Jan SOYKOK - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Opposition Party CHP’s Ledar Deniz Baykal called Armenia and Armenians to open their archives and to make negotiations on Armenian issue. Turkish PM said on Tuesday " We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides… Teams of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archives… We do not want future generations to have a difficult life because of hatred and resentment.” However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Oskanyan claimed the historians had made their all studies and they do not need make any more study. However the Turkish historians and many American and British researchers do not agree with the pro-Armenian historians. Many historians from the US and Europe including Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy and Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw says the 1915 events cannot be considered as ‘genocide’.

5% is many?? :lol: :lol: If there is nothing to hide why donesnt Turkey legalise the discussion of this topic?? Why isnt it illegal for us Cypriots to dicuss the Psuedo Genocide of 3 TCS?? Maybe because it never happened! :wink:


You believe what you want AC. I know many Armenians around the world who would argue otherwise. As for the sufferings of TCs, again believe what you want to believe. Its obvious the rest of the world is wiser to the Cyprob now, the GCs can no longer get away with murder.

I may not agree with your points, but I respect the fact that you didnt attack me in a racist manner unlike the other two,
Regards,
AC


Why should I attack you with racist insults. You sound like a nice chap with a good sense of humour. We may have difference of opinions but that's perfectly normal considering I'm a Cypriot Turk and you are Armenian. I condemn those that attacked you and say sorry on their behalf.

My best regards to you.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:03 pm

Piratis wrote:I don't want to create anything on your land. You are the ones who want to create a some "Turkish Republic" on our Cypriot lands.

I don't want to "reduce" you into anything. You are the 18% and therefore you are a minority. You are the ones who want to use force to upgrade yourselves from 18% to 50%, and take our rights and our lands.

share fairly = share proportionately, and that is what I want. Unless if with "share fairly" you mean the way Turkey is shared between Turks and Kurds? No problem with that either.


You have created a GC state run by GCs in the south now you want to expand and take control of the whole island, using your numerical advanatge to discriminate against us, we will not allow this. Being able to say no on sensative issues is not 50% power, its a right to protect ourselves against repetition of the past and ensure that we are not brushed to one side.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:21 pm

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Now if you want to share fairly where there are safeguards to ensure certain red lines of the TCs then we will talk but otherwise we will not capitulate to your demands.


Sorry to ask again VP, but just exactly what are those "Red Lines" again.??

I know NO future Enosis with Greece is one and NO trade with Turkey is the other.
What else.??


BBF with the right to say no on sensative issues that will effect our community more negatively than the GCs. Eg NO to enosis, Yes to trade with Turkey, Yes to education in Turkish.....
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:30 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You have created a GC state run by GCs in the south now you want to expand and take control of the whole island, using your numerical advanatge to discriminate against us, we will not allow this. Being able to say no on sensative issues is not 50% power, its a right to protect ourselves against repetition of the past and ensure that we are not brushed to one side.

Greek Cypriots had resided throughout the island for thousands of years and it wasn’t until the 1974 Turkish military invasion that they were ethnically cleansed from the northern section of Cyprus so for you to come here today and accuse the Greek Cypriots that they have “created a GC state run by GCs in the south” is a disgraceful summation of events to “justify” your criminal and selfish nature.

Your constant malicious ignorance ranks you in the top five of cheap and disgraceful individuals on this forum.
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