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Postby Bananiot » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:14 pm

Well said Tim.
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:38 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:If you want to adopt an analogy with business, consider the following situation:

You sign a huge deal with what you believe will be a major new client. You deliver the goods and one day after the first payment is due, you find that it has not yet arrived. Do you:

1 Immediately take legal action, send in the baillifs and revoke the agreement.

OR

2 Pick up the phone and send a gentle reminder?

Good business is about fostering good, long-term relations and attempting to solve problems diplomatically first before going in with a sledgehammer.


Wrong Tim...Big business always come through...only small business have forgetfull mentalities...and on purpose I may add...

Big companies always come through coz they let you know how they do business in the first place...

For example I am a supplier to IMB and now Lenovo...they have their rules...you want ther business you play ball game...you don't, then you have no transactions with them...simple as that...

They say you will get paid at a particular time...you can take that to the bank...

A deal is a deal, regardless how you see it...

An other example is...can you imaging FORD, having to wait for payment from their dealers...the factory will go bankrupt listening to excuses from their agents...
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:24 pm

“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:38 pm

boomerang wrote:
“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...


I crossed over on Thursday morning. The narrow street across the buffer zone was teeming with people moving in both directions: Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, permanent foreign residents, tourists... There was a feeling of joy and happiness. No sense of aggression or confrontation whatsoever. No incidents at all, not even any jostling. There were only about a dozen uniformed UN soldiers keeping the peace. If anybody had wanted to cause trouble, they could have done so. Such things were far from the minds of those who had come to cross on this historic day. They had come to support the peace process not create antagonism.

It was a great success. Whatever minor problem caused the crossing to be shut for a few hours has been ironed out. Can't people here take some pleasure in a positive development instead of carping all the time? Give it a break!
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Postby tessintrnc » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:53 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
boomerang wrote:
“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...


I crossed over on Thursday morning. The narrow street across the buffer zone was teeming with people moving in both directions: Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, permanent foreign residents, tourists... There was a feeling of joy and happiness. No sense of aggression or confrontation whatsoever. No incidents at all, not even any jostling. There were only about a dozen uniformed UN soldiers keeping the peace. If anybody had wanted to cause trouble, they could have done so. Such things were far from the minds of those who had come to cross on this historic day. They had come to support the peace process not create antagonism.

It was a great success. Whatever minor problem caused the crossing to be shut for a few hours has been ironed out. Can't people here take some pleasure in a positive development instead of carping all the time? Give it a break!


I agree - it was a happy event and although not so crowded - Friday was lovely too!! Lets hope that theres many, many more happy days like these.
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Postby Eric dayi » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:14 pm

I believe that the closure of the gate was instigated by the British who were rightly against their PM meeting with a Communist.

Let's face it, communism is not welcome in the EU and 98% of the world.

First a terrorist and now a communist as their leader, what will the GCs do next to isolate themselves completely from the rest of the democratic world? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:50 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
boomerang wrote:
“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...


I crossed over on Thursday morning. The narrow street across the buffer zone was teeming with people moving in both directions: Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, permanent foreign residents, tourists... There was a feeling of joy and happiness. No sense of aggression or confrontation whatsoever. No incidents at all, not even any jostling. There were only about a dozen uniformed UN soldiers keeping the peace. If anybody had wanted to cause trouble, they could have done so. Such things were far from the minds of those who had come to cross on this historic day. They had come to support the peace process not create antagonism.

It was a great success. Whatever minor problem caused the crossing to be shut for a few hours has been ironed out. Can't people here take some pleasure in a positive development instead of carping all the time? Give it a break!


Give us a break! The positioning of pseudo police deep in the buffer zone was a provacation to the RoC and also contravened the egreemant between Ali Toilet and President Christofias on opening Ledra. This proves that the RoC will gain nothing in negotiating with Toilet as he does not call the shots.

Make no mistake. If any further incidents occur, the RoC will close down Ledra.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:54 pm

Eric dayi wrote:I believe that the closure of the gate was instigated by the British who were rightly against their PM meeting with a Communist.

Let's face it, communism is not welcome in the EU and 98% of the world.

First a terrorist and now a communist as their leader, what will the GCs do next to isolate themselves completely from the rest of the democratic world? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Maybe it was instigated by the Turkisk armed forces to cut short President Christofias official visit to Britain and hence spoil his meeting with the British PM.

Eric you need to grow up. Whilst I confess that I am not a Communist supporter or a supporter of President Christofias, it is well known that he has been very well received throughout the EU.
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Postby Eric dayi » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
boomerang wrote:
“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...


I crossed over on Thursday morning. The narrow street across the buffer zone was teeming with people moving in both directions: Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, permanent foreign residents, tourists... There was a feeling of joy and happiness. No sense of aggression or confrontation whatsoever. No incidents at all, not even any jostling. There were only about a dozen uniformed UN soldiers keeping the peace. If anybody had wanted to cause trouble, they could have done so. Such things were far from the minds of those who had come to cross on this historic day. They had come to support the peace process not create antagonism.

It was a great success. Whatever minor problem caused the crossing to be shut for a few hours has been ironed out. Can't people here take some pleasure in a positive development instead of carping all the time? Give it a break!


Give us a break! The positioning of pseudo police deep in the buffer zone was a provacation to the RoC and also contravened the egreemant between Ali Toilet and President Christofias on opening Ledra. This proves that the RoC will gain nothing in negotiating with Toilet as he does not call the shots.

Make no mistake. If any further incidents occur, the RoC will close down Ledra.


Do us a favour and close all gates mate, we really do not want anything to do with communists.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:02 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
boomerang wrote:
“The terms of the agreement for the Ledra opening specified that the area between Ermou Street and Kykkos Street would be under UN control, therefore any presence of any military or police elements would be inexcusable,” the Minister said.

“Unfortunately, this was not the case and we proceeded to close the crossing. If a similar incident was to be repeated in the future, then our orders to police will be to close the crossing once again,” he said.

The Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Turgay Avci was emphatic that the area in which the Turkish Cypriot police had moved into was part of the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

“Our borders are not under debate,” he said. “If the Greek Cypriots have a problem, then we can discuss it.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38531



Why then did they move back if they are disputing it...If the article is correct then this is a clear view of provocation...

There you have it...


I crossed over on Thursday morning. The narrow street across the buffer zone was teeming with people moving in both directions: Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, permanent foreign residents, tourists... There was a feeling of joy and happiness. No sense of aggression or confrontation whatsoever. No incidents at all, not even any jostling. There were only about a dozen uniformed UN soldiers keeping the peace. If anybody had wanted to cause trouble, they could have done so. Such things were far from the minds of those who had come to cross on this historic day. They had come to support the peace process not create antagonism.

It was a great success. Whatever minor problem caused the crossing to be shut for a few hours has been ironed out. Can't people here take some pleasure in a positive development instead of carping all the time? Give it a break!


Give us a break! The positioning of pseudo police deep in the buffer zone was a provacation to the RoC and also contravened the egreemant between Ali Toilet and President Christofias on opening Ledra. This proves that the RoC will gain nothing in negotiating with Toilet as he does not call the shots.

Make no mistake. If any further incidents occur, the RoC will close down Ledra.


Do us a favour and close all gates mate, we really do not want anything to do with communists.


Jeez you are a GOOSE.

You hate communists do you? So do you also hate Talat?

President Christofias does not seem to be an authentic communist for your information. He is more along the lines of British Labour. The RoC is a free market economy and always will be.

Has President Christofias rattled your cage? He must be a threat to your partititionist plans and morrally corrupt society.

You definately need to grow up mate. And I am done with talking with such a fool such as yourself.
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