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[denizaksulu]

Two rancid crows...GR and Stella from Greece.......

Sort of Optical Isomerism. Hmmm.

Don't confuse Zanny too much; he hasn't done much past V=IR

I had need of V=IR last week. I hate working with household electrics. Began with a colleague, electrocuting himself on a ultrasonic cleaner. SSSSince then I am terrified. Micro-electronics is all I can cope with.

But I thought the crws/ravens were other than Zan.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

The buffer zone is a very serious issue. May I remind you that the UN repeatedly condemns Turkey for violating the status quo in the Stovillia area where the Turkish Army has more or less taken control of the buffer zone and has refused to pull back. The Turkish Army claims the buffer zone, not just part of it but all of it.

The antics of the TC police in Ledra is just another example of Turkish agressiveness. And the TC police are under the control of the Turkish Army, not Talat.

I agree with you that DIKO are laying in wait for Christofias to trip up but I think they are getting into a loosing battle. I don't know exactly how the incident happened on Thursday night but in the end it was actually positive because it highlighted the sensitivities of the Cyprus problem and it has put on alert our interlocutors and the UN to stop making the mistakes of the past. The UN needs to have credibility in the eyes of the Cypriot people, particularly in the eyes of the GC's, because any negotiations will be under UN auspices. The UN got carried away with the positive atmosphere of the opening and neglected their duty of policing the buffer zone between Ermou and Kykkos.

It is very easy to take the Ledra incident in isolation and just blame the pro-Papadopoulos camp and see it as a negative development. In fact, it has been positive because it has heightened awareness of how easy it is to torpedo any progress on the Cyprus issue which means everyone needs to be on the case, the UN, the EU and particularly the UK and US that have quite a big vested interests in solving the Cyprus problem.

In any case, I think progress on the problem will be zero for the rest of the year because of what is happening in Turkey. Do not be in any doubt that we are the mercy of external developments. Although there is urgency to solve the problem, it must be done under the right conditions otherwise we are doomed anyway. The next few months will require very skillful diplomacy to get around the very major problems that Turkey faces. I only hope our politicians are up to the job!

[unitedwestand]

Bananiot,

The buffer zone is a very serious issue. May I remind you that the UN repeatedly condemns Turkey for violating the status quo in the Stovillia area where the Turkish Army has more or less taken control of the buffer zone and has refused to pull back. The Turkish Army claims the buffer zone, not just part of it but all of it.

The antics of the TC police in Ledra is just another example of Turkish agressiveness. And the TC police are under the control of the Turkish Army, not Talat.

I agree with you that DIKO are laying in wait for Christofias to trip up but I think they are getting into a loosing battle. I don't know exactly how the incident happened on Thursday night but in the end it was actually positive because it highlighted the sensitivities of the Cyprus problem and it has put on alert our interlocutors and the UN to stop making the mistakes of the past. The UN needs to have credibility in the eyes of the Cypriot people, particularly in the eyes of the GC's, because any negotiations will be under UN auspices. The UN got carried away with the positive atmosphere of the opening and neglected their duty of policing the buffer zone between Ermou and Kykkos.

It is very easy to take the Ledra incident in isolation and just blame the pro-Papadopoulos camp and see it as a negative development. In fact, it has been positive because it has heightened awareness of how easy it is to torpedo any progress on the Cyprus issue which means everyone needs to be on the case, the UN, the EU and particularly the UK and US that have quite a big vested interests in solving the Cyprus problem.

In any case, I think progress on the problem will be zero for the rest of the year because of what is happening in Turkey. Do not be in any doubt that we are the mercy of external developments. Although there is urgency to solve the problem, it must be done under the right conditions otherwise we are doomed anyway. The next few months will require very skillful diplomacy to get around the very major problems that Turkey faces. I only hope our politicians are up to the job!

Classic case of paranoia.

[-mikkie2-]

This is not paranoia.

The Turkish Army has violated the buffer zone in Strovillia since 2000 and the UN has repetedly called on the Turkish Army to withdraw from the area. The UN mandate renewal every 6 months repeatedly states this but the Turkish Army refuses to comply.

The same thing was being done in Ledra street.

[Viewpoint]

This is not paranoia.

The Turkish Army has violated the buffer zone in Strovillia since 2000 and the UN has repetedly called on the Turkish Army to withdraw from the area. The UN mandate renewal every 6 months repeatedly states this but the Turkish Army refuses to comply.

The same thing was being done in Ledra street.

The outcome of all these violations?? could you list them for us so we can all understand the risks involved.

[repulsewarrior]

...in any case the acts of the Turkish authorities were provocative.

you cannot pick and choose the Laws you abide by...

who would have imagined that such a small diversion would cause an International Incident,
but our situation is so frail. it is clear that there is some influence which with its own agenda,
will come in conflict with the two negociators, TandC, yet it is very encouraging that in all
of this that they remain united. This bodes well for us as Cypriots.

...also, i would suggest, the greatest confidence building measure would be, if it were possible, that both Police Forces could stand side by side and across from each other, within the buffer zone. This somehow, had the Turkish Army arranged it, instead of the usual, would have sent a "right" message about security.

[Eric dayi]

Now that you Gcs and Greeks have spewed your venom and false propaganda about the closure of Ledra I wonder if any of you idiots wouldn't mind telling us just why the GC border police let the protesters into the bufferzone in the first place if not to provoke a reaction so that you can shout from your arseholes again...hmmm?

[Eric dayi]

...in any case the acts of the Turkish authorities were provocative.

Seen as you seem to believe you are above everyone else here maybe you can give me an answer to my question in my above posting RW.

you cannot pick and choose the Laws you abide by...

who would have imagined that such a small diversion would cause an International Incident,

First you provoke then you start to cry like little babies making sure the whole world sees your crocodile tears and claim as an "International Incident". What international incident are you blabbering about FFS, WW3?

[purdey]

What happened, were people beaten, shot, were there mass riots. What is the problem ? seems to be none. A few coppers walked a few metres too far. International incicident..how on earth are you expected to resolve a major problem, when you wet yourself when nothing happens, beggars belief..

[umit07]

What happened, were people beaten, shot, were there mass riots. What is the problem ? seems to be none. A few coppers walked a few metres too far. International incicident..how on earth are you expected to resolve a major problem, when you wet yourself when nothing happens, beggars belief..

Exacly Purdey we are having trouble managing a 5 metre wide gap together ,imagine the case after a solution with managing state boundaries for example