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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:09 pm

Kifeas wrote:
halil wrote: All going smoothly as crowds flock to Ledra Street

By Jean Christou

LEDRA Street was teeming with people yesterday as the public on both sides took advantage of the weekend to satisfy their curiosity after Thursday’s big opening of the crossing point.

According to reports, by noon 820 Greek Cypriots had crossed over to the north, along with over 700 non Cypriots. From the Turkish Cypriot side, more than 550 had crossed.

During a visit yesterday morning, Police Chief Iacovos Papcostas said there had not been any problem with the movement of so many people. “Everything is going smoothly,” he said, adding that increased movement was also expected today.

The Ledra crossing opened on Thursday but the event was marred 12 hours later when it was closed for two hours by the Greek Cypriot side after Turkish Cypriot police entered the buffer zone area of the crossing.
Details of what actually happened and who gave instructions to close the crossing were still sketchy yesterday.

Initially, reports said that President Demetris Christofias had ordered the closure, but the President was on a plane to London when it happened.

Reports from London said he was informed of the closure when he landed in the UK, but that would have been well after 10pm Cyprus time, and the crossing was closed some time between 8.30pm and 9pm.

On Friday, it emerged that House President and DIKO leader Marios Karoyan had ordered the closure.

As House President, Karoyan becomes Acting President of the Republic in Christofias’ absence. The order was executed by the Justice Minister and the police.

Turkish press speculated that Karoyan had ordered the closure without the permission of the President, and that was why Christofias had cut short his visit to the UK to return to Cyprus on Friday.

Government Spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said yesterday: “I know about the rumours and they are nonsense.”

Stefanou said Karoyan was just following the orders of the President, and that the two men had been in communication on the issue.

“Before he departed, President Christofias gave instructions that it was the position of the government – and made very clear to the UN and the other side – that any violation of the agreement for the opening of the crossing would result in closure,” Stefanou told the Sunday Mail.


Asked why the President felt the need to return if everything was being handled according to his instructions, Stefanou said: “He came back to safeguard the implementation of the agreement. It is the will of the government that Ledra be open and to use this positive step to move forwards. The closure of Ledra would be a negative development. We didn’t ask for excuses, we asked for the implementation of the agreement. The UN is fully responsible for the buffer zone and they have to act in this spirit. If there is a violation there will be a lack of trust.”

According to the agreement to open Ledra Street, neither Greek Cypriot nor Turkish Cypriot police are to enter the 80-metre stretch linking the two ends of the crossing point.

However on, the opening day, the Turkish Cypriot police violated the agreement three times. The first was prior to the opening, when eight officers stationed themselves on the corner of Kykkos Street, which bisects Ledra half way to the Turkish Cypriot checkpoint.

The second violation happened just after the opening ceremony when two Turkish Cypriot police officers escorted the Turkish Cypriot mayor all the way up to the Greek Cypriot police line when he was crossing for a coffee with Nicosia Mayor Eleni Mavrou.

The third violation in the evening was the one that led to the closure, for which the Turkish Cypriot side blamed the Greek Cypriots. A statement from the Turkish Cypriot Press and Information Office called it a surprise, and a provocation.

“The Lokmac? gateway was closed at around 8.30pm with the allegation that the buffer zone had been infringed by Turkish police, only to reopen again at 11pm through UN initiatives and intense Turkish diplomacy,” the statement said.

“It was later discovered that the short crisis which took place last night was a result of Greek Cypriot demonstrators carrying banners which infringed Turkish Cypriot controlled areas,” it added.

It said 20 Greek Cypriots crossed the Greek Cypriot barricade to the Turkish Cypriot line at 8.15pm carrying placards and shouting slogans. Turkish Cypriot police were authorised through the agreement with the UN to intervene in the area under such circumstances.

However, Turkish Cypriot police were actually stationed at the corner of Kykkos and Ledra Streets as early as 8pm. Having personally witnessed the scene, there were no protestors there at that time. (says Jean Christou)

The Turkish Cypriot police had run a cordon from their checkpoint to the corner of Kykkos Street, where two UN soldiers were stationed on either side of Ledra Street. One Turkish Cypriot police officer was sauntering up and down no more than two feet away from the UN guards, one of whom was chatting to a civilian and the other watching the fireworks display, both oblivious to the violation.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 7&cat_id=1


Thanks halil! That confirms all my claims, all along, and ruins all of Bananiot's lies and distortions, and this from the Cyprus Mail! Thanks once more Halil! The whole truth at last, from a source extremist Bananiot cannot dispute!



Kifeas, I sincerely hope that you will , from now on stop accusing Halil of being partisan. I find all his posts useful, whether pro TC or pro GC.
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:11 pm

in all fairness deniz...somehow I don't think effendi knew what he was posting...he just bitch slapped his buddy... :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:28 pm

[quote="boomerang"]in all fairness deniz...somehow I don't think effendi knew what he was posting...he just bitch slapped his buddy... :lol:[/quote]


I see. As far as I see, as far as Halil is concerned He is a nice guy, working in the wrong place in your eyes. Figure it out.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:45 pm

Bananiot has a bad habit of presenting his assumptions on the forum as facts. It’s not that he doesn’t mean well but it’s seemingly in the way his brain works which appears to go something like…

1. Assume 2. Conclude 3. Declare as fact.

…whereas it should’ve been:

1. Assume 2. Research 3. Conclude 4. Declare as fact.

Apparently, Bananiot suffers from a VERY common shortcoming that we see all too often on the forum… the acquisition of inconclusive and/or vague information as fact!

As mature and responsible adults, we MUST insist on irrefutable evidence before anything is accepted and stored in our brains as “fact”. We owe this to ourselves, our children, and most importantly our country.

Cyprus and the Cypriot people suffer ENORMOUSLY from all the misinformation circulating so let’s make it our goal to raise the standards of what is propagated to the world.

Regards, GR.
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Postby halil » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:01 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:in all fairness deniz...somehow I don't think effendi knew what he was posting...he just bitch slapped his buddy... :lol:



I see. As far as I see, as far as Halil is concerned He is a nice guy, working in the wrong place in your eyes. Figure it out.


Deniz,
i don't want to play nice guy role. what they likes u have to talk the way they likes. i know what i was posted .still it doesn't clear that Kifeas was right . İf there something was against the agreements .... first you can try the diplomatic ways ... you don't close the gates straight away and left the people in the danger.what will happen if they were panic and start to insulting each other. What you don't understand is this things are happened while Christofias was at air ...İ call it coup .... nothing else...it was coup....Bananiot is pointing out how complicated the govern system in south.we have seen this very lately ....
Also most of you still can not understand which one was police or civilian securities .The man with the blue uniforms were security men for the Turkish Nicosia molupicity.
i was left the place around 20:20 PM. the area was full .... it was very difficult to walk .... police job was very difficult .....i have seen some of them were carrying pankarts .... it was in Greek ....They were shouting something.... we couldn't understand what they were saying..... we heard while we are having our beers that police wasn't let them to pass... because they didn't want to lost the control... Think about if same stupid ones were doing same things from the north towards the south ... what will happen ? police have to react very quickly in this kind of the incidents ... u can not leave it for a chance.

I took this picture , while they were shouting .... if i knew it was going to give problem i would take more .... it is not clear but still shows , where it was .


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Postby halil » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:12 pm

By looking newspapers writing we can not find the truth.....truth is what the people are thinking ..... we will see the UN report when its comes out...

Have a look what the İnterior minister of the TRNC says..... Above ones were from ROD side.

Greek Cypriot demonstrations led to the closing

The short-term crisis at the Ledra crossing happened due to Greek Cypriots' demonstrations, Turkish Cypriot Interior Minister Özkan Murat told the Turkish news agency Friday. Murat said around 20 demonstrators crossed into northern Cyprus Thursday night, carrying banners and shouting slogans. “Turkish Cypriot police intervened in order to secure safe crossing. They have the authority to do so according to the agreement with the United Nations,” he said.

Murat said the Greek Cypriots closed the crossing after this incident, followed by the Turkish Cypriots. “However, the crisis was short-lived and the crossing was reopened at 11:00 p.m," he said.


Still Cypriots from both sides does not care what the Kifeas ,GR , Bananiot ,Boomerang or Halil is saying ..... they are enjoying it .
leave them alone .......
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:16 pm

halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:in all fairness deniz...somehow I don't think effendi knew what he was posting...he just bitch slapped his buddy... :lol:



I see. As far as I see, as far as Halil is concerned He is a nice guy, working in the wrong place in your eyes. Figure it out.


Deniz,
i don't want to play nice guy role. what they likes u have to talk the way they likes. i know what i was posted .still it doesn't clear that Kifeas was right . İf there something was against the agreements .... first you can try the diplomatic ways ... you don't close the gates straight away and left the people in the danger.what will happen if they were panic and start to insulting each other. What you don't understand is this things are happened while Christofias was at air ...İ call it coup .... nothing else...it was coup....Bananiot is pointing out how complicated the govern system in south.we have seen this very lately ....
Also most of you still can not understand which one was police or civilian securities .The man with the blue uniforms were security men for the Turkish Nicosia molupicity.
i was left the place around 20:20 PM. the area was full .... it was very difficult to walk .... police job was very difficult .....i have seen some of them were carrying pankarts .... it was in Greek ....They were shouting something.... we couldn't understand what they were saying..... we heard while we are having our beers that police wasn't let them to pass... because they didn't want to lost the control... Think about if same stupid ones were doing same things from the north towards the south ... what will happen ? police have to react very quickly in this kind of the incidents ... u can not leave it for a chance.

I took this picture , while they were shouting .... if i knew it was going to give problem i would take more .... it is not clear but still shows , where it was .


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No need to worry Halil. Keep up the good work. The rejectionists have the right to cry as much as they like.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:18 pm

halil wrote:Murat said around 20 demonstrators crossed into northern Cyprus Thursday night, carrying banners and shouting slogans. “Turkish Cypriot police intervened in order to secure safe crossing. They have the authority to do so according to the agreement with the United Nations,” he said.

I can only see one placard from your picture but I can’t make out what its saying. So what exactly were those 20 people you allege demonstrating about Halil?
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:24 pm

halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:in all fairness deniz...somehow I don't think effendi knew what he was posting...he just bitch slapped his buddy... :lol:



I see. As far as I see, as far as Halil is concerned He is a nice guy, working in the wrong place in your eyes. Figure it out.


Deniz,
i don't want to play nice guy role. what they likes u have to talk the way they likes. i know what i was posted .still it doesn't clear that Kifeas was right . İf there something was against the agreements .... first you can try the diplomatic ways ... you don't close the gates straight away and left the people in the danger.what will happen if they were panic and start to insulting each other. What you don't understand is this things are happened while Christofias was at air ...İ call it coup .... nothing else...it was coup....Bananiot is pointing out how complicated the govern system in south.we have seen this very lately ....
Also most of you still can not understand which one was police or civilian securities .The man with the blue uniforms were security men for the Turkish Nicosia molupicity.
i was left the place around 20:20 PM. the area was full .... it was very difficult to walk .... police job was very difficult .....i have seen some of them were carrying pankarts .... it was in Greek ....They were shouting something.... we couldn't understand what they were saying..... we heard while we are having our beers that police wasn't let them to pass... because they didn't want to lost the control... Think about if same stupid ones were doing same things from the north towards the south ... what will happen ? police have to react very quickly in this kind of the incidents ... u can not leave it for a chance.

I took this picture , while they were shouting .... if i knew it was going to give problem i would take more .... it is not clear but still shows , where it was .


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We closed Ledra. We had no other choice as the pseudo police violated the buffer zone and the agreement penned by Talat and President Christofias. When they withdrew and we received assurances that the UN will not allow any further violations, we re-opened the gates.

I do not see any problem with the way President Christofias acted. So Halil, stop over reacting and being a spoilt irrational brat.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
halil wrote:Murat said around 20 demonstrators crossed into northern Cyprus Thursday night, carrying banners and shouting slogans. “Turkish Cypriot police intervened in order to secure safe crossing. They have the authority to do so according to the agreement with the United Nations,” he said.

I can only see one placard from your picture but I can’t make out what its saying. So what exactly were those 20 people you allege demonstrating about Halil?



The placard says:

'We want Lokmades' :lol:

GR, I am sure you have sources which you could use. Why ask a non Greek speaker is beyond me.

We might find out from any other photos which might be floating around.
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