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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:36 pm

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zan wrote:And in 1963 the Greeks started to killthe TCs to get ENOSIS and then in 1974 the Greeks staged a Coup to do the same again when the first failed...Actions speak louder than words................... :roll:


And in 1958 -

Donktosh said that a friend or friends of his were blowing up the Turkish Embassy:-

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."

(Source as above)


This should fire up Deniz-no-riots-aksulu ....
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:38 pm

zan wrote:
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zan wrote:And in 1963 the Greeks started to killthe TCs to get ENOSIS and then in 1974 the Greeks staged a Coup to do the same again when the first failed...Actions speak louder than words................... :roll:


And in 1958 -

Donktosh said that a friend or friends of his were blowing up the Turkish Embassy:-

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."

(Source as above)


Admited....The biggest mistake that Denktas made in all his time.....He really thought that it would stop Makarios' illegal aims of ENOSIS......etc.


Gawd I feel faint but Donktosh doesn't say in the above that it was" the biggest mistake he made in all his time... etc" (He may have conceded this elsewhere). What he says is that his friend planted the bomb to "create an atmosphere of tension".

Regretfully they succeeded in doing just this.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:38 pm

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shahmaran wrote:Yes, what would their next lame conspiracy be i wonder, once they finally get it into their thick skulls that Turkey does not actually have any "expansionist policies" as some idiots here like to keep babbling on about.

What will they actually whinge about once it is as clear as the Cypriot sky that Turkey did actually come for a PEACE OPERATION! :lol:

One just cant help but wonder...... :roll:


Came across these snippets which shed some light on these expansionist dreams.

In 1954, nine years before intercommunal conflict broke out in 1963, the then Foreign Minister of Turkey F. Koprufu, declared that Cyprus is an "extention of continental Turkey", and that it should revert to Turkey "on the basis of geographical proximity."

At the tripartite conference on Cyprus in August-September 1955, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Zorlu, stated:
"...The importance of Cyprus to Turkey does not arise from a single cause; it is a necessity which emanates from the exigencies of history, geography, economy and military strategy, from the right to existence and security, which is the most sacred of every state, in short, from the very nature of things."

The Turkish journalist and historian A. Gurkan, in "Kibris Postasi" (12.20.83) put it quite succintly when he said:
"Speaking from a purely strategic point of view we could say that for Turkey's security, a safe Cyprus is a Cyprus which would be, in its entirety, under Turkish control."

Gunnes, former Turkish FM :-
"Cyprus is as precious as the right arm of a country which cares for her defence or her expansionist aims if she harbours any. If we don't keep in mind this strategic importance of Cyprus, we cannot understand the peace operation of 20 July or rather it is impossible to understand the whole Cyprus crisis...
Many states, to a certain extent because it suits their interest, want to see the Cyprus problem merely as our desire to protect the Turkish community on the island. Whereas the actual problem is the security of 45 million Turks in the motherland together with the Turks in the island and the maintenance of the balance in the Middle East."

By Ozal, (...) Prime Minister of Turkey who, referring to the UDI (NB. unilateral declaration of independence of the occupied part) of November 1983, said:
"Cyprus is an island which pierces the middle of Turkey like a dagger. It is extremely vital from the viewpoint of our security. This island should not be in enemy hands. The existence of the Turks in northern Cyprus is a guarantee in this direction."

( All from mideastinfo.com)


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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:46 pm

Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Yes, what would their next lame conspiracy be i wonder, once they finally get it into their thick skulls that Turkey does not actually have any "expansionist policies" as some idiots here like to keep babbling on about.

What will they actually whinge about once it is as clear as the Cypriot sky that Turkey did actually come for a PEACE OPERATION! :lol:

One just cant help but wonder...... :roll:


Came across these snippets which shed some light on these expansionist dreams.

In 1954, nine years before intercommunal conflict broke out in 1963, the then Foreign Minister of Turkey F. Koprufu, declared that Cyprus is an "extention of continental Turkey", and that it should revert to Turkey "on the basis of geographical proximity."

At the tripartite conference on Cyprus in August-September 1955, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Zorlu, stated:
"...The importance of Cyprus to Turkey does not arise from a single cause; it is a necessity which emanates from the exigencies of history, geography, economy and military strategy, from the right to existence and security, which is the most sacred of every state, in short, from the very nature of things."

The Turkish journalist and historian A. Gurkan, in "Kibris Postasi" (12.20.83) put it quite succintly when he said:
"Speaking from a purely strategic point of view we could say that for Turkey's security, a safe Cyprus is a Cyprus which would be, in its entirety, under Turkish control."

Gunnes, former Turkish FM :-
"Cyprus is as precious as the right arm of a country which cares for her defence or her expansionist aims if she harbours any. If we don't keep in mind this strategic importance of Cyprus, we cannot understand the peace operation of 20 July or rather it is impossible to understand the whole Cyprus crisis...
Many states, to a certain extent because it suits their interest, want to see the Cyprus problem merely as our desire to protect the Turkish community on the island. Whereas the actual problem is the security of 45 million Turks in the motherland together with the Turks in the island and the maintenance of the balance in the Middle East."

By Ozal, (...) Prime Minister of Turkey who, referring to the UDI (NB. unilateral declaration of independence of the occupied part) of November 1983, said:
"Cyprus is an island which pierces the middle of Turkey like a dagger. It is extremely vital from the viewpoint of our security. This island should not be in enemy hands. The existence of the Turks in northern Cyprus is a guarantee in this direction."

( All from mideastinfo.com)


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Great post bill ...

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Surely O ( and others) , these and other statements quoted have been posted before ??? They are readily available. I saw the Donktosh interview (not for the first time) on utube a few months ago.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:56 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Yes, what would their next lame conspiracy be i wonder, once they finally get it into their thick skulls that Turkey does not actually have any "expansionist policies" as some idiots here like to keep babbling on about.

What will they actually whinge about once it is as clear as the Cypriot sky that Turkey did actually come for a PEACE OPERATION! :lol:

One just cant help but wonder...... :roll:


Came across these snippets which shed some light on these expansionist dreams.

In 1954, nine years before intercommunal conflict broke out in 1963, the then Foreign Minister of Turkey F. Koprufu, declared that Cyprus is an "extention of continental Turkey", and that it should revert to Turkey "on the basis of geographical proximity."

At the tripartite conference on Cyprus in August-September 1955, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Zorlu, stated:
"...The importance of Cyprus to Turkey does not arise from a single cause; it is a necessity which emanates from the exigencies of history, geography, economy and military strategy, from the right to existence and security, which is the most sacred of every state, in short, from the very nature of things."

The Turkish journalist and historian A. Gurkan, in "Kibris Postasi" (12.20.83) put it quite succintly when he said:
"Speaking from a purely strategic point of view we could say that for Turkey's security, a safe Cyprus is a Cyprus which would be, in its entirety, under Turkish control."

Gunnes, former Turkish FM :-
"Cyprus is as precious as the right arm of a country which cares for her defence or her expansionist aims if she harbours any. If we don't keep in mind this strategic importance of Cyprus, we cannot understand the peace operation of 20 July or rather it is impossible to understand the whole Cyprus crisis...
Many states, to a certain extent because it suits their interest, want to see the Cyprus problem merely as our desire to protect the Turkish community on the island. Whereas the actual problem is the security of 45 million Turks in the motherland together with the Turks in the island and the maintenance of the balance in the Middle East."

By Ozal, (...) Prime Minister of Turkey who, referring to the UDI (NB. unilateral declaration of independence of the occupied part) of November 1983, said:
"Cyprus is an island which pierces the middle of Turkey like a dagger. It is extremely vital from the viewpoint of our security. This island should not be in enemy hands. The existence of the Turks in northern Cyprus is a guarantee in this direction."

( All from mideastinfo.com)


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Great post bill ...

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... bill kept out of the north for being too smart.



Surely O ( and others) , these and other statements quoted have been posted before ??? They are readily available. I saw the Donktosh interview (not for the first time) on utube a few months ago.


It's funny how you can never find the little blighters when you are in a hurry and need them to prove shah wrong ... I had the same argument with shah a few weeks ago, found some, but not these...

Hope he is satisfied now with two major quotas of expansionist policy proofs ....

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Postby zan » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:29 pm

Take your time Bilbo Bobbit and don't pass out until you come to the real story...It is still unfolding in that little mind of yours......Please try to stay calm though when you realise that all this time ENOSIS was being written on every wall that could be written on. Makarios and his henchmen were not playing by the rules an d wanted to sideline us and take the island for Greece.


You guys are magnificent....You just see one little item and think you have found the answer....I am really beginning to feel sorry for you and the ignorance you live.

Now for more lessons....The Zurich agreement was supposed to put an end to this. The adults got together and put together and agreement that stopped a much bigger war that would have happened between Greece and Turkey. Then makarios and Greece decided to go against that decision. We ghad our republic in 1960 Bilbo and you lot screwed it up. SWe could have been all Cypriots and changed it for good but Greek greed put an end to that. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:35 pm

Well if Greeks seem to attack Turkey at every given chance (as they have done so), then Turkey very rightfully needs to look out for the buildup of further strategical locations that could be used for another invasion attempt, I'm sure you would also agree that no one would want to be "surrounded" by such forces, hence why the the Turkish military also views Northern Iraq as a potential threat.

On the other hand Bill, there is no such a name as "Koprufu" in Turkish, and the idea that "Cyprus should revert to Turkey on the basis of proximity" is bollocks because there are Greek islands so close to Turkey that you can throw stones at them yet no one cares about. In fact if what he said meant anything at such context then Turkey should already own most of the islands in the Aegean.

Turkey does not have any expansionist policies, you guys sound like the US who exaggerates and exploits invisible threats in order to fabricate the right to wage war on people. :roll:
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:40 pm

If members will forgive the repetition, for easier reference, I have combined the quotes from the leadership of the RoT and Mr Donktosh together from the above.

In 1954, nine years before intercommunal conflict broke out in 1963, the then Foreign Minister of Turkey F. Koprufu, declared that Cyprus is an "extention of continental Turkey", and that it should revert to Turkey "on the basis of geographical proximity."

At the tripartite conference on Cyprus in August-September 1955, the then Turkish Foreign Minister, Zorlu, stated:
"...The importance of Cyprus to Turkey does not arise from a single cause; it is a necessity which emanates from the exigencies of history, geography, economy and military strategy, from the right to existence and security, which is the most sacred of every state, in short, from the very nature of things."

The Turkish journalist and historian A. Gurkan, in "Kibris Postasi" (12.20.83) put it quite succintly when he said:
"Speaking from a purely strategic point of view we could say that for Turkey's security, a safe Cyprus is a Cyprus which would be, in its entirety, under Turkish control."

Gunnes, former Turkish FM :-
"Cyprus is as precious as the right arm of a country which cares for her defence or her expansionist aims if she harbours any. If we don't keep in mind this strategic importance of Cyprus, we cannot understand the peace operation of 20 July or rather it is impossible to understand the whole Cyprus crisis...
Many states, to a certain extent because it suits their interest, want to see the Cyprus problem merely as our desire to protect the Turkish community on the island. Whereas the actual problem is the security of 45 million Turks in the motherland together with the Turks in the island and the maintenance of the balance in the Middle East."

By Ozal, (...) Prime Minister of Turkey who, referring to the UDI (NB. unilateral declaration of independence of the occupied part) of November 1983, said:
"Cyprus is an island which pierces the middle of Turkey like a dagger. It is extremely vital from the viewpoint of our security. This island should not be in enemy hands. The existence of the Turks in northern Cyprus is a guarantee in this direction."

( All from mideastinfo.com)

And in 1958 -

Donktosh said that a friend or friends of his were blowing up the Turkish Embassy:-

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."

(Source as above)
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Postby zan » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:45 pm

We don't mind repetition from a one shot propagandist Bilbo.......But please...Try to find out what the Greeks were doing to warrant such actions and you might even put another bullet in your little gun :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:28 pm

Kikapu wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Yes, what would their next lame conspiracy be i wonder, once they finally get it into their thick skulls that Turkey does not actually have any "expansionist policies" as some idiots here like to keep babbling on about.

What will they actually whinge about once it is as clear as the Cypriot sky that Turkey did actually come for a PEACE OPERATION! :lol:

One just cant help but wonder...... :roll:


Shah,

It is also fair to say, that Cyprus entering the EU in 2004 has also changed what ever plans Turkey may have had for Northern Cyprus back in 1974. The island was closed off for the first 30 years don't forget. With veto power over Turkey's eventual EU entry hopes may have in fact brought about new attitude in bringing peace to the island. I personally believe, that 2004 was a history altering new course for Cyprus with the EU entry. On the other hand, did Erdogan check with his Generals before making such statements in offering to remove the Turkish Troops. After all, Erdogan may not even have a job in 3 months time.!!!!!

Still, if unacceptable demands are made by Erdogan for the GC's to accept, then talking about troop withdrawal is just academic.



Kikapu, are you agreeing above that there were embargos against the TCs for thirty years?.

Also what if the GCs make unacceptable demands. Do you expect the Turkish Troops to be withdrawn before then?
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