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LEDRA/LOKMACI OPENS AFTER NEARLY 50 YEARS

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby iceman » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:02 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
iceman wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:What's going on ? Anything interesting happen today ?


not much bill......just another controlled checkpoint opened.


Oh and I thought we were playing with real money.

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.... Kept out of the north by the monopoly money on the table


Sorry forgot to say, Iceman, I'm still waiting for the return of my toilet complete with 10L of precious water, thank you.

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.... dying to go, into the north, without passport control



If you insist in not showing an ID you will die before such a crossing opens.. :lol: :lol:

Let me know if you change your mind..:)
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Postby iceman » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:09 pm

Ledra Street crossing OPEN again......
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Postby yiannisP » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:09 pm

This checkpoint issue is a complete joke. How can someone think this changes anything? Well, maybe at the most superficial level it may have some of those who know nothing of the problems in Cyprus believing that there is progress for a resolution.

The truth is that there will never be a resolution as long as Turkey maintains its illegal occupation of the north, not to mention the human rights abuses etc. You think that the refugees and their children are going to forget their missing relatives and stolen property?! Cyprus should be an independent island with no discrimination against any ethnic groups. At the same time we can't have pieces of our island under the self declared rule of a minority.

Take Britain as an example. There are many minorities here and yet they didn't have the country of their ethnic origin invade and declare a new state because they suffered did they? Imagine if there were a series of sustained racist attacks/abuses in large parts of London over many years, and the locals felt that the government wasn't supporting them. Would that justify an invasion and occupation?

Why should it be different for Cyprus? I haven't heard an argument that justifies in my mind exclusive Turkish rule of the north. Their response to Cyprus was totally disproportiate and evil (not a word I use lightly).

Maybe now that Cyprus is in the EU some of the human rights abuses will not be so easily perpetrated against mintorites? Come on Turkey, stop this madness once and for all. We can see your excuse for invading Cyprus as being on a par with Britain's failed attempts at justifying the Iraq war.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:16 pm

yiannisP wrote:This checkpoint issue is a complete joke. How can someone think this changes anything? Well, maybe at the most superficial level it may have some of those who know nothing of the problems in Cyprus believing that there is progress for a resolution.

The truth is that there will never be a resolution as long as Turkey maintains its illegal occupation of the north, not to mention the human rights abuses etc. You think that the refugees and their children are going to forget their missing relatives and stolen property?! Cyprus should be an independent island with no discrimination against any ethnic groups. At the same time we can't have pieces of our island under the self declared rule of a minority.

Take Britain as an example. There are many minorities here and yet they didn't have the country of their ethnic origin invade and commit atrocities because they suffered did they? Why should that be different for Cyprus? I haven't heard an argument that justifies in my mind exclusive Turkish rule of the north. Their response to Cyprus was totally disproportiate and evil (not a word I use lightly).


Yes Yiannis

This is merely polarising the problem. Like a gated community.

Evil is an ugly word ..... but ignorance amongst civilised Humans is evil because it suggests a lack of application of the wilful desire to exercise Rights and Morals and other distinguishing, exemplary Human qualities.

And the Turks are wilfully exercising evil by pertaining ignorance to that which is wrong.
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Postby paaul12 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:08 pm

yiannisP wrote:


Cyprus should be an independent island with no discrimination against any ethnic groups.


hate 2 burst ur bubble yiani, but u r about 39 YEARS 2 late with that post, do u know what i mean :wink: :wink:
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:12 pm

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You are stuck on this Turkish thing, why not say its North Cyprus where you can go and live as freely as I do and I can go live in South Cyprus if thats what I want, no Turkish or Greek. Where you want to use your numerical advantage is important here, you see fit for me to live in a state where you run the show and I abide but when I suggest why dont we create a systme where everyone can choose where they want to live and whom they wish to be ruled by either the north or south states, no Greek no Turkish, whats wrong with that?


Let me get this straight. You are saying that the GC's can come and get their property, live in the North, under one country, with no Turkish or Greek states, but only under a TC rule in the North and a GC rule in the South. The question is,

a) do the GC's get to vote in the North

b) Can they elect their members to the local government

c) Do they need to learn Turkish to be able to vote and be elected

d) If the answer is NO for any one of the above, does that mean they do not have any rights, other than paying taxes. So in essence, you want to run a Racist state with segregation between the TC's and the GC's. So, the GC's will not be welcomed to come and stay in their own country as equal citizens, because they will be discriminated.

e) So, lets continue. If the answer is a Yes to the above, what will you do, if the GC's start having more members in the local government in the North.?? Are you going to put a limit on how many can join the local government.??

f) Without putting words in your mouth, my feeling is, you want to keep the government in the North strictly TC, which means the GC will not have any representation. You just want to exercise a Racist, Undemocratic, and Violation of Human Rights, because you will not allow the GC's to vote in the North, or hold any office. I have known few Racist people in my life, but you really take the cake if indeed that is what you intend for it to happen in the North.

The next stage will be to declare Independence legally, then kick all the GC's out of the North. You did say once, that
"you did not want any Greek spoken around you or your children". Now you understand why I oppose you at every turn, is not because I support the GC's and not the TC's, but it's because I cannot support Racist and Fascistic ideology in today's world that you promote. Days of Hitler and other Fascist are over, so I thought, but here you are, to prove me wrong.

Please tell me I'm wrong, so that I will take back everything negative I have said about you, so that I can start apologizing.
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Postby paaul12 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:20 pm

yiannisP wrote:

Maybe now that Cyprus is in the EU some of the human rights abuses will not be so easily perpetrated against mintorites?


is this some of the human rights abuses u r refering 2?

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Postby halil » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:11 am

Jerry wrote:Can anyone post some pictures of this happy event please?


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Postby halil » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:27 am

Ledra was full up last night with TC's and GC's ......... İt was very difficult to walk .....but there was a happiness and joy at the eyes of the people.
Many friends met and walk around the both side of the Nicosia .
Some of them was trying to remember the old names of the streets . it was a great exprience for me too . From hoge growed i didn't get chance to go Southern part of the Nicosia but my true Cypriot friends they maneged to come we met . We had a few beers at barricade .Later on we went a nice place called GALBUR to celebrate .İt was very nice and touching evening .We promised at first of May we will meet at my village .

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Image ..... Luis got the bones for his dog .... Luis was asking where he can eat Pasturma and eggs ....İt was 10.00 pm..... next time mate....
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:52 am

I crossed over yesterday at about 11.00. In fact, I made the journey from Limassol to Nicosia specifically so that I could cross on the first day. There was a very happy and festive atmosphere. It was good to see Ledra Street thronged with so many people. In front of me in the queue were two Turkish Cypriots who said they had just crossed over, had a walk around and were going back again. It seems to me that a lot of people who were crossing were doing so simply to make a statement. That there is only one Cyprus and that reunification is long overdue. If that is so, judging by the crowds of people who had come to use this crossing point on its first day, this is a sentiment shared by many.

The place was also crawling with television crews and reporters from many countries. I was interviewed by a TV crew myself as I crossed! The world obviously thinks that this is avery important event.

Srolling around the Arasta Street area just past the crossing, I could hear as much Greek as Turkish being spoken. On a practical note, it is striking how tacky and run-down this area looks when you come directly from the much better maintained southern side of Ledra Street. I think some urgent attention needs to be given to upgrading this area if it is to live up to its new commercial potential.

On a further optimistic note, I noticed on my way to Ledra Street that the Turkish Cypriot who was operating a small take away food outlet in Regaina Street has now expanded his business and taken over the neighbouring premises so that he has a seated restaurant as well.
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