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[Tim Drayton]

my friend unless you are prepared to sing istiklal marsi and serve in the turkish/north cypriot turkish armed forces then you are a visitor. Ataturk was born in Salonika does that mean that turkey has the right to claim parts of greece??

I am genuinely curious about the allegience you feel towards the "İstiklal Marşı", i.e. the national annthem of the Turkish Republic.

I speak as a British national who has worked at several private schools in Turkey. I remember sharing in the pride felt as the Monday morning flag ceremony was held, when the Turkish flag was hoisted accompanied to the strains of the anthem you mention. At that moment, my conviction was always strengthened that Ataturk's vision of a secular Turkey marching toward modernity was the correct one for his country.

But what does this have to do with Cyprus? One of the key planks of Kemalism is the "misak-i Milli" (national border) policy: according to this doctrine Cyprus has no place within the Turkish Republic.

I sense a strange dichotomy verging on schizophrenia running through the soul of Turkish Cypriot chauvinists. If your allegiance is to the İstiklal Marşı and the Turkish flag, how do you account for the need for a separate KKTC flag? Why do you have your own president and prime-minister? Why do you not elect deputies to the parliament in Ankara? Why do you not have a provincial governor appointed by Ankara? Why do your courts not apply Turkish legal codes?

In short, why are you the "Yavruvatan" (Baby Motherland), rather than part of the "Vatan" (Motherland). It is curious that in all the time that the Turkish Cypriot community was under hardline partitionist rule certain distinctions have always been maintained between Cyprus and the Motherland. It suggests that you only have to scratch beneath the surface of a Turkish Cypriot partitionist and you will find a Cypriot.

By the way, do they have 'flag ceremonies' at schools in the TRNC, and if so, which flag is involved?

[Get Real!]

my friend unless you are prepared to sing istiklal marsi and serve in the turkish/north cypriot turkish armed forces then you are a visitor. Ataturk was born in Salonika does that mean that turkey has the right to claim parts of greece??

I am genuinely curious about the allegience you feel towards the "İstiklal Marşı", i.e. the national annthem of the Turkish Republic.

I speak as a British national who has worked at several private schools in Turkey. I remember sharing in the pride felt as the Monday morning flag ceremony was held, when the Turkish flag was hoisted accompanied to the strains of the anthem you mention. At that moment, my conviction was always strengthened that Ataturk's vision of a secular Turkey marching toward modernity was the correct one for his country.

But what does this have to do with Cyprus? One of the key planks of Kemalism is the "misak-i Milli" (national border) policy: according to this doctrine Cyprus has no place within the Turkish Republic.

I sense a strange dichotomy verging on schizophrenia running through the soul of Turkish Cypriot chauvinists. If your allegiance is to the İstiklal Marşı and the Turkish flag, how do you account for the need for a separate KKTC flag? Why do you have your own president and prime-minister? Why do you not elect deputies to the parliament in Ankara? Why do you not have a provincial governor appointed by Ankara? Why do your courts not apply Turkish legal codes?

In short, why are you the "Yavruvatan" (Baby Motherland), rather than part of the "Vatan" (Motherland). It is curious that in all the time that the Turkish Cypriot community was under hardline partitionist rule certain distinctions have always been maintained between Cyprus and the Motherland. It suggests that you only have to scratch beneath the surface of a Turkish Cypriot partitionist and you will find a Cypriot.

By the way, do they have 'flag ceremonies' at schools in the TRNC, and if so, which flag is involved?

Tim, just because someone calls himself “BigAl” doesn’t necessarily mean he is referring to his intellect...

[Tim Drayton]

A curious irony, in a way. Article four of the RoC constitution permits Cypriots to identify with a foreign flag. Seen in this light, the use of a distinct TRNC flag is a step in the direction of Cypriotness!

[Kikapu]

1 man 1 vote is acceptable but the ability to say no to sensative issues is a red line for TCs.

Why don't you make a list of the most important items that you would expect to veto with a NO vote, and stick them in the New Constitution. This way, it is agreed by all parties in advance what those red-lines are and upon agreeing to them, the New Constitution is signed.

Any problems with that VP.??

What happens if the GC's think it's unworkable once again?

If you believe that umit07, then why would a NO Veto Vote have any effect.

If you think the Constitution is going to be ignored, why wouldn't a simple NO vote.

Which is more important, to live by the Constitution or by a No vote.

Which is more Democratic that protects every one's rights.??

[umit07]

kikapu that is the very reason I feel the guarantorships of Turkey should stay. If they wanna play hard ball once agian, as they did in 74.

[zan]

1 man 1 vote is acceptable but the ability to say no to sensative issues is a red line for TCs.

Why don't you make a list of the most important items that you would expect to veto with a NO vote, and stick them in the New Constitution. This way, it is agreed by all parties in advance what those red-lines are and upon agreeing to them, the New Constitution is signed.

Any problems with that VP.??

What happens if the GC's think it's unworkable once again?

If you believe that umit07, then why would a NO Veto Vote have any effect.

If you think the Constitution is going to be ignored, why wouldn't a simple NO vote.

Which is more important, to live by the Constitution or by a No vote.

Which is more Democratic that protects every one's rights.??

They are not the same thing that is why......Why would we not want it in law?????You still asking us to trust???There is no trust in business. Any fool that goes on trust gets burned.

[Get Real!]

Not a single TC has stepped forward to explain why they feel they are worth FOUR times more than any Greek Cypriot!

So now the question that begs to be answered is...

Why are you asking for 50% "power sharing" ???

[Viewpoint]

Not a single TC has stepped forward to explain why they feel they are worth FOUR times more than any Greek Cypriot!

So now the question that begs to be answered is...

Why are you asking for 50% "power sharing" ???

How will we stop the GC majority selling us out.

[Get Real!]

Not a single TC has stepped forward to explain why they feel they are worth FOUR times more than any Greek Cypriot!

So now the question that begs to be answered is...

Why are you asking for 50% "power sharing" ???

How will we stop the GC majority selling us out.

How is it they're selling you out?

[Viewpoint]

Not a single TC has stepped forward to explain why they feel they are worth FOUR times more than any Greek Cypriot!

So now the question that begs to be answered is...

Why are you asking for 50% "power sharing" ???

How will we stop the GC majority selling us out.

How is it they're selling you out?

You tried it before, try veryhard to work out what I am saying, whats to stop you this time if you suceed in taking away our veto right?