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Nasty Turkish Memes ...

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:50 am

Get Real! wrote:
Gabira wrote::lol:

Can't wait for O's counter reply.

Get Real! wrote:I understand your need to vent off your anger at those responsible for Cyprus’ woes ...


:lol: Great support there :lol:


Include a "you feel are" where you know it should be.

Anyways, no need for a reply from Oracle so put the popcorn away...


GR you cannot give Oracle an escape clause like that. Ask her to reply to you. We are surely waiting for the next episode og Mein Kampf Mt II from Oracle. She has already changed the goal posts regarding here Memes, I have a Ton of popcorn waiting.

If I could only believe that you were sincere in your post GR. Look, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. :lol:
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Postby observer » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:05 am

It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:21 am

observer wrote:It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.


.... you have exhausted your epigram about knickers. :roll:

Isn't it time for a change :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:22 am

observer wrote:It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.



She will have the forum all for herself and claim victory over 'O'. :lol:
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Postby observer » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:57 am

Oracle wrote:
observer wrote:It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.


.... you have exhausted your epigram about knickers. :roll:

Isn't it time for a change :lol:


OK. I'll take my own advice and ignore you in future - I hope other people do too.

By the way, as you are so fond of the dictionary, I don’t think it is an epigram, which is a short, witty poem expressing a single thought or observation, or a concise, clever, often paradoxical statement (military intelligence is often the quoted example). I think that this is probably a metaphor, a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:01 am

Get Real! wrote:You’re NOT addressing the problem Oracle.


Do you? ... always? How easy is it to concentrate on "problems" when posters prefer to attack me (such is their interest) rather than when I present a view.

Maybe the intellectual clout is missing (Eliko hurry up and return :wink: ).

A lot of people are complaining that Oracle intentionally makes RACIST posts/threads against Turks and/or Turkish Cypriots and I have to mostly agree with them.


Who are these "a lot of people" GR! .... mostly Turk-TCs (suprise :roll: ). And you, who is trying to gain a cheap shot at kudos by affiliating with them ... when they are quick to call you racist too, but I would rather not post, than post merely to put someone down and join a bandwagon ......

Anyway, the racist slur is worn thin as an argument or in support of anything.

It is indeed the fallback, the default setting!

Notice I avoid its use as a label, preferring to analyse it as a worn-out concept.

The truth is that many of your arguments have no technical basis, and you are NOT providing any, so one can only conclude that they are nothing more than spiteful and racist jabs wrapped up in philosophical packaging.


I can provide reams of links, but I have my own opinions on these issues and that's how I learn ... by questioning my views at the outset.

"Technical" may be your euphemism for not being "male" enough ... we have been down this road before.

I understand your need to vent off your anger at those responsible for Cyprus’ woes but it can be done in a specific technical way that targets the actual offender and not every single person that was ever born of Turkish descend… that’s way too generalized and can only cause ill feeling
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So you are targeting what? Turkish individuals as responsible? :? .... Whereas I blame Turkish troops, settlers, governments and all those that support them ...

So the individual instigators were Ecevit or Kemal or Otto whoever .... they get churned out as needed.

I feel that the frequency and amplitude of these nasty threads is a serious decline in forum quality and have noticed that some good debaters from last year seem to have disappeared most likely bored of the constant Oracle Vs Turkish Genes mud slinging so please reconsider your approach. :(


Nobody stays off because they are bored of specific threads ... people post where they feel like and ignore the ones that do not suit them. Maybe you scrutinise too many.

There is no quota on the number of threads for the day so if people have an idea, a new thread is started .... My posting threads does not take away from the allowance!
The ones no one finds of interest/commentable have 0 posts; some interest, 10 posts; and then there are a few riveting ones that draw in the participants.

I am not going down the road of a popularity contest as some of my ideas are off the wall and posted in an experimental fashion purely to find out how amenable an idea is, and not because I want a response.

Variety should be the spice of life .....

Wrong thread? I don't know...


For what .... a gripe? .... a personal attack? ..... an opinion? .....

Stop compartmentalising unnecessarily....
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:02 am

observer wrote:
Oracle wrote:
observer wrote:It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.


.... you have exhausted your epigram about knickers. :roll:

Isn't it time for a change :lol:


OK. I'll take my own advice and ignore you in future - I hope other people do too.

By the way, as you are so fond of the dictionary, I don’t think it is an epigram, which is a short, witty poem expressing a single thought or observation, or a concise, clever, often paradoxical statement (military intelligence is often the quoted example). I think that this is probably a metaphor, a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity.



It does tend to find you on whatever thread you are. In that case we shall feel free to bid her 'bon voyage' in her own characteristic way. :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:06 am

There is a new show in town. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumb. What a charade. Watch and (try) enjoy.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:11 am

observer wrote:
Oracle wrote:
observer wrote:It's just the three year old in Oracle flipping up her dress to show her knickers and gain attention.

Ignore her and she will go away and pester some other forum.


.... you have exhausted your epigram about knickers. :roll:

Isn't it time for a change :lol:


OK. I'll take my own advice and ignore you in future - I hope other people do too.

By the way, as you are so fond of the dictionary, I don’t think it is an epigram, which is a short, witty poem expressing a single thought or observation, or a concise, clever, often paradoxical statement (military intelligence is often the quoted example). I think that this is probably a metaphor, a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity.


I don't use the dictionary as much as people accuse me of ... people around here seem to have an allergy to them, more's the pity! :roll:

But I have just Googled it for you:

Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source - Share This
Main Entry: epigram
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: witticism
Synonyms: aphorism, bon mot, joke, meat, mot, motto, pithy saying, quip, quirk Notes: an epigram is a short statement that makes an interesting, frequently profound, observation about life or the world; an epigraph is a statement culled from the writings or sayings of someone else and used as the heading
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Copyright © 2008 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved


So take your pick .... all apply equally!
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:13 pm

CopperLine wrote:Oracle's is a racist claim under a different name. Dress it up whichever way she wants - call it memes, if she wants - it is essentially a racist argument.


Here you go CopperLine ..... feast yourself on how Genetics can be used as a tool to generate fodder to fuel your divisive mentality.

Watch this space because if we do not reclaim the balancing affects of "nurture" ( memes ) chaps like CopperLine will be clutching their catalogues to categorize people into haplogroups ... the real new name for RACE.

Scientists reshape Y chromosome haplogroup tree gaining new insights into human ancestry
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The Y chromosome retains a remarkable record of human ancestry, since it is passed directly from father to son. In an article published online today in Genome Research scientists have utilized recently described genetic variations on the part of the Y chromosome that does not undergo recombination to significantly update and refine the Y chromosome haplogroup tree. The print version of this work will appear in the May issue of Genome Research, accompanied by a special poster of the new tree.

Human cells contain 23 pairs of chromosomes: 22 pairs of autosomes, and one pair of sex chromosomes. Females carry a pair of X chromosomes that can swap, or recombine, similar regions of DNA during meiosis.

However, males harbor one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, and significant recombination between these dissimilar sex chromosomes does not occur. Therefore, the non-recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) remains largely unchanged over many generations, directly passed from father to son, son to grandson, and so on, along with genetic variations in the NRY that may be present. Scientists can use genetic variations, such as single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), on the Y chromosome as markers of human ancestry and migration.

In 2002, the Y Chromosome Consortium (YCC) constructed a tree of 153 haplogroups based upon 243 unique genetic markers. In this report, researchers led by Dr. Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona recognized the need to revisit the Y chromosome haplogroup tree and incorporate the latest data. "The YCC effort in 2002 was a landmark in mapping the then known 300 or so Y-linked SNPs on a single tree, and getting the community to use the same nomenclature system," explains Hammer. "The rate of SNP discovery has continued to increase over the last several years, as are publications on Y chromosome origins and affinities. While this new information is useful, ironically it also brings with it the danger of introducing more chaos into the field."

Hammer's group integrated more than 300 new markers into the tree, which allowed the resolution of many features that were not yet discernable, as well as the revision of previous arrangements. "The major lineages within the most common African haplogroup, E, are now all sorted out, with the topology providing new interpretations on the geographical origin of ancient sub-clades," describes Hammer. "When one polymorphism formerly described as unique, but recently shown to have reversed was replaced by recently reported markers, a sub-haplogroup of haplogroup O, the most common in China, was considerably rearranged," explains Fernando Mendez, a co-author of the study.

In addition to improving the resolution of branches, the latest reconstruction of the tree allows estimates of time to the most recent common ancestor of several haplogroups. "The age of [haplogroup] DE is about 65,000 years, just a bit younger than the other major lineage to leave Africa, which is assumed to be about 70,000 years old," says Hammer, describing an example of the fine resolution of age that is now possible. "Haplogroup E is older than previously estimated, originating approximately 50,000 years ago."

Furthermore, Hammer explains that this work has resulted in the addition of two new major haplogroups, S and T, with novel insights into the ancestry of both. "Haplogroup T, the clade that Thomas Jefferson's Y chromosome belongs to, has a Middle Eastern affinity, while haplogroup S is found in Indonesia and Oceania."
"More SNPs are being discovered, and we anticipate the rate to increase with the 1000 Genomes Project," says Hammer, referring to the wealth of human genetic variation data that will soon be available. While this report represents a significant advance in mapping ancestry by Y chromosome polymorphisms, it is certain that future discoveries will necessitate continual revisions to the Y chromosome haplogroup tree, helping to further elucidate the mystery of our origins.
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