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[Big Al]

The turkish army is not only wanted in cyprus by TC's, its a neccessity. All the barking in the world by bitches like Oracle wont help, TSK here to stay!!!!

[michalis5354]

Big Ali Mpamba the Turkihs Army is a necessity like Bread . u r very funny !

[Murataga]

Pretty soon these cyber tigers will throw the Turkish army into the sea. I really despite armchair patriots. Just about had enough of them.

I'd much rather share my island with the Bananiots than the Sotos Oracle Phoneix Kikapus Piratis Kifeas GR and the likes. Bananiot gives me hope the others give me fear.

Kikapu ????

Hes the last person we woudl want to share an island with hes is dangerous and has not once taken to support any of the TC sides viewpoint or address TCs concersn and fears, he just prefers to dismiss them like all good regimented GCs.

I proposed to swap them ages ago... take Bananiot with you please to the Atlas mountains where you can both compete in the annual Turkish ball sucking competition. Think of the benefits… first prize gets to sleep with the Turkish general and you two are sure to win! Good luck, not that you'll need it.

Bananiot is very welcome in the TRNC, he is not one sided like Kikapu. I can only hope there are more intelligent and understanding GC in south Cyprus.

VP , for over 8 THOUSAND YEARS CYPRUS has been known as CYPRUS , NOT SOUTH OR NORTH.Turkey is occupying a part of Cyprus , temporarily I might say , she , Turkey , is also occupying a part of Cypriots , the T/Cs !

It is the south for us miltiades sorry to disappoint but we have been divided for 45 years, you cant expect anymore.

Still an infinitesimal drop in the ocean when you Look at the history of CYPRUS , 8000 years against 45 !!!! CYPRUS will recover back to its absolute self , sooner rather than later . The foreign occupier will not remain on its soil for 8000 years !!

Miltiades - It is we, the Turkish Cypriots, that live here in the North and we are not foreign occupiers. Yet, it was a similar mentality that you rub in our face with your post, that saw us as the "foreigners", "barbarians", "hurdle in front of ENOSIS" and locked us up into the enclaves during the early 60s. Fortunately, we managed to get out and to my deepest pleasure, this has caused much stomachache to those that put us in there.

If you are referring to the Army that is responsible for my existence and the failure of your ENOSIS dream, worry not, for their only interest in Cyprus is same as mine: (1) my secure existence in this island as Turkish Cypriots (2) prevent ENOSIS (3) prevent the Hellenization of this island. We, as the Turkish Cypriots, will continue to uphold these accomplished objectives until the day you manage to annihilate each and every single one of us; be there an Army to back us up or not !

The only occupiers in Cyprus are those who refuse us our rights to live in Cyprus as Turkish Cypriots (that is two words not one) in security without being forced to yield to Hellenic rule. And I do hope these occupiers are terminated as soon as possible for the sake of all Cypriots.

[Nikitas]

For those that think that the stationing of Turkish troops on the island, like a token force of 650 soldiers as security.

If they stay then the Greek army will have to stay, you know those 1200 soldiers of the Greek "token" force. In other words the same staging as in 1960.

You all forget that these "token" armies report to their home base, Greece and Turkey respectively, they owe NO ALLEGIANCE to Cyprus. And they will do what armies do everywhere- scout and calculate for a future conflict. They will have intelligence officers among the "token" force who will do what intelligence officers everywhere do- build local networks of sympathizers. In other words accepting these "token" forces is like undermining ourselves once again, like we did in 1960.

Racism in Cyprus was cultivated by the people sent in by both "motherlands" , first as teachers and later as soldiers. And not only did these clowns cultivate GC versus TC racism and vice versa, they also cultivated racism within each community with antileftist indoctrination, which led to the assassinations of GCs and TCs by their own people.

An armed TC police force in the context of a Bizonal settlement should be enough security. Having 650 soldiers is not going to increase security any more than it did in 1963.

[Big Al]

Nikitas, it is not purely what 650 can acheive, even having 5 soldiers on the island represents something much more important. It acts as a reminder and a deterant to anyone wanting to take advantage of a group that will be a minority should there be a settlement. My guess is there will not be a settlement in which case the current level of forces will remain permanently.

[Bananiot]

Again, I am going to stick with logic and pragmatism. If we solve all major issues in the forthcoming negotiations and the question of the armies remain, we will not sacrifice the solution for 650 Turkish and 900 Greek soldiers remaining for a period of time. When the fanatics have let off their steam and have grown old and died and being in the EU together with Turkey, the remnants of the armies will go, no doubt. Above all, what will kick them out, is the new era of friendship, cooperation, understanding and fraternity.

[Kifeas]

Again, I am going to stick with logic and pragmatism. If we solve all major issues in the forthcoming negotiations and the question of the armies remain, we will not sacrifice the solution for 650 Turkish and 900 Greek soldiers remaining for a period of time. When the fanatics have let off their steam and have grown old and died and being in the EU together with Turkey, the remnants of the armies will go, no doubt. Above all, what will kick them out, is the new era of friendship, cooperation, understanding and fraternity.

You probably haven't realized yet that the real problem is not the 650 or the 900 soldiers, but the very idea of anyone country to claim the right to unilaterally intervene (read invade) into the affairs and territorial intercity of another country, a right that only the UN security council can authorize, under the terms of the UN Charter. You probably do not realize that, even though Turkey’s assumption that she has such a right, is not correct and valid under international law, regardless of the existence of any such "agreement;" the mere notion that she does maintain this idea will compel her to interfere in the internal affairs of Cyprus, and even create the circumstances in order to use what she considers a "right" to intervene, should her interests call for it.

The "mere" 650 soldiers, especially in a demilitarized from Cypriot forces Cyprus, will serve in such a case as a bridgehead in order to easily increase them to 6,500, within less than one hour. Therefore, whether they are 65, 650 or 6,500, it is essentially meaningless. It is the idea that Turkey will continue to believe that she has the right to intervene unilaterally and at will, that is problematic and dangerous, rather than the number of troops.

[Oracle]

The turkish army is not only wanted in cyprus by TC's, its a neccessity. All the barking in the world by bitches like Oracle wont help, TSK here to stay!!!!

I feel truly exalted and all-powerful ....

The Turks need 43,000 soldiers to look after them, because they are scared of one woman ....

That amount of fear and cowardice is a very worrying trait.

Personally, I fear cowards that put themselves first, before respecting Human rights and their country.

I am so ashamed of TCs for disrespecting the Rights of the GCs to return to their homes .... but understand from this logic of Big Al's, it is because they are cowards and cannot help putting themselves first and foremost.

Enjoy your cowardly existence, you are all that matters.

Pathetic people .....

[Kifeas]

Again, I am going to stick with logic and pragmatism. If we solve all major issues in the forthcoming negotiations and the question of the armies remain, we will not sacrifice the solution for 650 Turkish and 900 Greek soldiers remaining for a period of time. When the fanatics have let off their steam and have grown old and died and being in the EU together with Turkey, the remnants of the armies will go, no doubt. Above all, what will kick them out, is the new era of friendship, cooperation, understanding and fraternity.

You probably haven't realized yet that the real problem is not the 650 or the 900 soldiers, but the very idea of anyone country to claim the right to unilaterally intervene (read invade) into the affairs and territorial intercity of another country, a right that only the UN security council can authorize, under the terms of the UN Charter. You probably do not realize that, even though Turkey’s assumption that she has such a right, is not correct and valid under international law, regardless of the existence of any such "agreement;" the mere notion that she does maintain this idea will compel her to interfere in the internal affairs of Cyprus, and even create the circumstances in order to use what she considers a "right" to intervene, should her interests call for it.

The "mere" 650 soldiers, especially in a demilitarized from Cypriot forces Cyprus, will serve in such a case as a bridgehead in order to easily increase them to 6,500, within less than one hour. Therefore, whether they are 65, 650 or 6,500, it is essentially meaningless. It is the idea that Turkey will continue to believe that she has the right to intervene unilaterally and at will, that is problematic and dangerous, rather than the number of troops.

I am personally prepared to accept the presence of not just 650, but 1,000 or even 2,000 Turkish troops, instead, if they are going to be part of a multinational force which will include Cypriot (GC & TC) troops of an equal number with the sum of the foreign ones, and will all be under a unified command charged with the safeguarding of the internal and external security of Cyprus; provided that no one country of those participating in such a scheme will have or be able to claim the right to act unilaterally, or outside the terms that will regulate the mission of such a multinational task force. Such a scheme can easily exist and function under the European Army framework, or even Nato, provided that Cyprus itself will also be a member or a partner.

Why is the above not sufficient to quarantee the "safety" of the TC community? Why only Turkey's unilateral intervention "rights" can do so? Is it because this is what Turkey wants, and what Turkey dictates to them?

[zan]

Again, I am going to stick with logic and pragmatism. If we solve all major issues in the forthcoming negotiations and the question of the armies remain, we will not sacrifice the solution for 650 Turkish and 900 Greek soldiers remaining for a period of time. When the fanatics have let off their steam and have grown old and died and being in the EU together with Turkey, the remnants of the armies will go, no doubt. Above all, what will kick them out, is the new era of friendship, cooperation, understanding and fraternity.

You probably haven't realized yet that the real problem is not the 650 or the 900 soldiers, but the very idea of anyone country to claim the right to unilaterally intervene (read invade) into the affairs and territorial intercity of another country, a right that only the UN security council can authorize, under the terms of the UN Charter. You probably do not realize that, even though Turkey’s assumption that she has such a right, is not correct and valid under international law, regardless of the existence of any such "agreement;" the mere notion that she does maintain this idea will compel her to interfere in the internal affairs of Cyprus, and even create the circumstances in order to use what she considers a "right" to intervene, should her interests call for it.

The "mere" 650 soldiers, especially in a demilitarized from Cypriot forces Cyprus, will serve in such a case as a bridgehead in order to easily increase them to 6,500, within less than one hour. Therefore, whether they are 65, 650 or 6,500, it is essentially meaningless. It is the idea that Turkey will continue to believe that she has the right to intervene unilaterally and at will, that is problematic and dangerous, rather than the number of troops.

What did you have in mind to do to make them come again Kifeas??????You make it sound as if they will come at will..... Then again you would because none of you have come to terms or have had the courage to admit that they were needed in 1974.....Where were the UN and the EU then....Sitting on their arses waiting for it to sort itself out with the possible murder of 10,000 GCs and then start on the TCs.....