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[JimB]

The likes of markwoods39 remind me of the types that go to football matches to get into fights, join marches so that they can start throwing things ... and adopt charities so that they can bash other people with their high moral ground.

To sort such a problem out, you may simply have to offer safer alternatives to farmers to use instead of Lanate / poisons ... have somebody visit the Co-Ops or even schools to tutor responsibility .. etc.

I agree with the education and to some extent the safer alternatives. These are all long term measures that can be demonstrated to have some benefit IF there wasn't an easier way to achieve the same goals.

The simplest, fastest and most direct way to re-educate would be to take the products off the shelf and only allow access to those who were educated in it's use in the first place. Pest control companies like Rentokil etc are already here and have the capacity to deal with this.

Taking the stuff off the shelf in the stores isn't going to disadvantage the professional farmer's / agriculturalists who need to use this stuff for the purpose intended. If anything, the expert advice they gained from the pest control companies would probably save them money in the long run from better application and control of the agents in the first place.

It will make it difficult for the 'average joe' on the street with a malevolent streak to poison all of the localities domestic animals with a doctored tin of meat.

Exactly the same principal as needing a prescription from the doctor before you can get your hands on the serious medicine.

Quick thought on the subject of the farmers using this stuff in the fields. A recent article in the English press and online http://www.medindia.net/news/Environmentalists-Claim-That-Wine-Sold-in-EU-is-Contaminated-With-Pesticides-34684-1.htm makes reference to the amount of pesticides now being found in EU wine. I would hazard a guess that Cyprus produce would have the same problem.

The use of these pesticides is being looked into by the EU at the moment and there's consideration being given to an EU ban or restrictions on use.

Wouldn't stop lobbying for local change but it looks like the issue could be resolved by somebody in Brussels.

Can't be made too soon for my liking.

[cyprusgrump]

You can’t face the reality of my statement can you Mark?

Well if you had 1 just 1 brain cell, then you would see by baning this horrid stuff it would be very hard to BUY. They could not bring this poison into Cyprus COULD THEY, as it would be banned. OMG Cyprus grump you are so so much like hard work sometimes . I wait for that 1 brain cell to work for your reply back.

Your position is somewhat irrational…

Consider this…

For whatever reason there are people that go to the butchers, buy liver or whatever and the poison it with lanate. They then leave it around for dogs to pick up when they are out walking or sometimes put it in the gardens of dog owners…

I can’t imagine why they would do this.

I can imagine that if lanate were banned they’d find some other way of achieving their obvious goal.

Like I said in my OP, banning innocent citizens from owning firearms hasn’t cut gun crime one bit. Banning lanate will not cut this problem either.

[Oracle]

The likes of markwoods39 remind me of the types that go to football matches to get into fights, join marches so that they can start throwing things ... and adopt charities so that they can bash other people with their high moral ground.

To sort such a problem out, you may simply have to offer safer alternatives to farmers to use instead of Lanate / poisons ... have somebody visit the Co-Ops or even schools to tutor responsibility .. etc.

I agree with the education and to some extent the safer alternatives. These are all long term measures that can be demonstrated to have some benefit IF there wasn't an easier way to achieve the same goals.

The simplest, fastest and most direct way to re-educate would be to take the products off the shelf and only allow access to those who were educated in it's use in the first place. Pest control companies like Rentokil etc are already here and have the capacity to deal with this.

Taking the stuff off the shelf in the stores isn't going to disadvantage the professional farmer's / agriculturalists who need to use this stuff for the purpose intended. If anything, the expert advice they gained from the pest control companies would probably save them money in the long run from better application and control of the agents in the first place.

It will make it difficult for the 'average joe' on the street with a malevolent streak to poison all of the localities domestic animals with a doctored tin of meat.

Exactly the same principal as needing a prescription from the doctor before you can get your hands on the serious medicine.

Quick thought on the subject of the farmers using this stuff in the fields. A recent article in the English press and online http://www.medindia.net/news/Environmentalists-Claim-That-Wine-Sold-in-EU-is-Contaminated-With-Pesticides-34684-1.htm makes reference to the amount of pesticides now being found in EU wine. I would hazard a guess that Cyprus produce would have the same problem.

The use of these pesticides is being looked into by the EU at the moment and there's consideration being given to an EU ban or restrictions on use.

Wouldn't stop lobbying for local change but it looks like the issue could be resolved by somebody in Brussels.

Can't be made too soon for my liking.

Great analysis JimB

However we do not have real data on how many / if any, malicious poisonings are taking place ... it could just be a case of poisoning by accident through bait lying around!

... My Labrador will eat anything on an average walk .... and where we live ... we are side by side with working farmers ...

It would be easy to add something unpleasant smelling for the canine or feline palate, but still leave it palatable for the intended target (rodents) ........ But that is up to the pharmaceutical companies ... In my experience they have the means but do not seem to dig a little into their pockets ....

[zan]

I thnk that this is another reality that both Cypriots have to face....You don't like next doors dog or cat...You poison it...It is part of Cyprus life...I remember my dad doing it and have heard it used in everyday language in my GC friends house when we were younger in the UK.......Ban it and send out the message that it is not the done thing.

[Oracle]

I thnk that this is another reality that both Cypriots have to face....You don't like next doors dog or cat...You poison it...It is part of Cyprus life...I remember my dad doing it and have heard it used in everyday language in my GC friends house when we were younger in the UK.......Ban it and send out the message that it is not the done thing.

Zan ... how I wish you would apply the same logic to the CyProb

[markwoods39]

You can’t face the reality of my statement can you Mark?

Well if you had 1 just 1 brain cell, then you would see by baning this horrid stuff it would be very hard to BUY. They could not bring this poison into Cyprus COULD THEY, as it would be banned. OMG Cyprus grump you are so so much like hard work sometimes . I wait for that 1 brain cell to work for your reply back.

Your position is somewhat irrational…

Consider this…

For whatever reason there are people that go to the butchers, buy liver or whatever and the poison it with lanate. They then leave it around for dogs to pick up when they are out walking or sometimes put it in the gardens of dog owners…

I can’t imagine why they would do this.

I can imagine that if lanate were banned they’d find some other way of achieving their obvious goal.

Like I said in my OP, banning innocent citizens from owning firearms hasn’t cut gun crime one bit. Banning lanate will not cut this problem either.

You have got the grump tonight cyprusgrump CHILL OUT MATE I was only joking when i said i would eat you HONEST

[zan]

I thnk that this is another reality that both Cypriots have to face....You don't like next doors dog or cat...You poison it...It is part of Cyprus life...I remember my dad doing it and have heard it used in everyday language in my GC friends house when we were younger in the UK.......Ban it and send out the message that it is not the done thing.

Zan ... how I wish you would apply the same logic to the CyProb

I would not poison you just for that Stella.....I like dogs!!!

[cyprusgrump]

You can’t face the reality of my statement can you Mark?

Well if you had 1 just 1 brain cell, then you would see by baning this horrid stuff it would be very hard to BUY. They could not bring this poison into Cyprus COULD THEY, as it would be banned. OMG Cyprus grump you are so so much like hard work sometimes . I wait for that 1 brain cell to work for your reply back.

Your position is somewhat irrational…

Consider this…

For whatever reason there are people that go to the butchers, buy liver or whatever and the poison it with lanate. They then leave it around for dogs to pick up when they are out walking or sometimes put it in the gardens of dog owners…

I can’t imagine why they would do this.

I can imagine that if lanate were banned they’d find some other way of achieving their obvious goal.

Like I said in my OP, banning innocent citizens from owning firearms hasn’t cut gun crime one bit. Banning lanate will not cut this problem either.

You have got the grump tonight cyprusgrump CHILL OUT MATE I was only joking when i said i would eat you HONEST

Yes, quite...

[Oracle]

I thnk that this is another reality that both Cypriots have to face....You don't like next doors dog or cat...You poison it...It is part of Cyprus life...I remember my dad doing it and have heard it used in everyday language in my GC friends house when we were younger in the UK.......Ban it and send out the message that it is not the done thing.

Zan ... how I wish you would apply the same logic to the CyProb

I would not poison you just for that Stella.....I like dogs!!!

So when I am your doggie fantasy ....... do you call me Stella or Oracle

[markwoods39]

OHHHHHHH you want me to eat you then