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[pythona]

What is needed official cooperation between the two governments of Cyprus so that TCs who have been given GC land as compensation for their losses in the South cannot have the best of both sides of Cyprus.

When did Tcs have losses of their land in the south? They still have their lands in the south but also have GC land in north but not for compensation because Tc did not loose anything.

[bill cobbett]

What is needed official cooperation between the two governments of Cyprus so that TCs who have been given GC land as compensation for their losses in the South cannot have the best of both sides of Cyprus.

When did Tcs have losses of their land in the south? They still have their lands in the south but also have GC land in north but not for compensation because Tc did not loose anything.

Absolutely. Many, many members of the northern community remain the rightful owners of a good deal of the south. They must be free to do what they wish with their lands and houses; whether they live in them, work the land, sell it, pass it on to children etc in the same way as property owners anywhere else do. The fact that they also have taken refuge since '74 in houses in the north doesn't alter this fundamental right.

It is of course regretable that many have been given very dodgy documents by the even dodgier northern junta for this property but legally (by any interpretation of the word) these documents mean bugger all and I look forward to the time when these worthless, devisive documents are consigned to the shredder of history.

[Nurgary]

What is needed official cooperation between the two governments of Cyprus so that TCs who have been given GC land as compensation for their losses in the South cannot have the best of both sides of Cyprus.

When did Tcs have losses of their land in the south? They still have their lands in the south but also have GC land in north but not for compensation because Tc did not loose anything.

Absolutely. Many, many members of the northern community remain the rightful owners of a good deal of the south. They must be free to do what they wish with their lands and houses; whether they live in them, work the land, sell it, pass it on to children etc in the same way as property owners anywhere else do. The fact that they also have taken refuge since '74 in houses in the north doesn't alter this fundamental right.

It is of course regretable that many have been given very dodgy documents by the even dodgier northern junta for this property but legally (by any interpretation of the word) these documents mean bugger all and I look forward to the time when these worthless, devisive documents are consigned to the shredder of history.

The fact Bill is the TRNC is there and the Government there have given former GC land and property to TC. The rights and wrongs are not the issue.

However, TC who handed there rights over for the exchange GC land / property have no right to what they handed over to the TRNC government .

Let's say Ali lost a property and 10 dumoms in Pafos and was given the same in the North which was former GC - he shouldn't be able to sell what he exchanged in the TRNC and then go to the South - stay 6 months and claim what he lost there.

Both Governments should agree a way this can't happen.

[bill cobbett]

What is needed official cooperation between the two governments of Cyprus so that TCs who have been given GC land as compensation for their losses in the South cannot have the best of both sides of Cyprus.

When did Tcs have losses of their land in the south? They still have their lands in the south but also have GC land in north but not for compensation because Tc did not loose anything.

Absolutely. Many, many members of the northern community remain the rightful owners of a good deal of the south. They must be free to do what they wish with their lands and houses; whether they live in them, work the land, sell it, pass it on to children etc in the same way as property owners anywhere else do. The fact that they also have taken refuge since '74 in houses in the north doesn't alter this fundamental right.

It is of course regretable that many have been given very dodgy documents by the even dodgier northern junta for this property but legally (by any interpretation of the word) these documents mean bugger all and I look forward to the time when these worthless, devisive documents are consigned to the shredder of history.

The fact Bill is the TRNC is there and the Government there have given former GC land and property to TC. The rights and wrongs are not the issue.

However, TC who handed there rights over for the exchange GC land / property have no right to what they handed over to the TRNC government .

Let's say Ali lost a property and 10 dumoms in Pafos and was given the same in the North which was former GC - he shouldn't be able to sell what he exchanged in the TRNC and then go to the South - stay 6 months and claim what he lost there.

Both Governments should agree a way this can't happen.

I don't think we are disagreeing N. in substance except in your use of the word "government" to describe the northern occupying regime.

In your example Ali's "land" in the north remains the rightful, legal property of someone in the south no matter how many times it has changed hands. It will be the "buyer"/person that Ali has "sold" the prop in the north to that seems to lose out. When this land is reoccupied by its rightful (southern) owner, as the law stand today, the duped buyer will have to think about making a claim in the courts against Ali for selling land with dubious deeds. In this way Ali, if Ali loses this claim, doesn't gain. He had only one house in the south, he still has only one house in the south having compensated the "buyer" for the dubious deal in the north.

[Nurgary]

Bill - I do see what you are saying but lets be totally honest - only some GC will return under any settlement plan. Those who have purchased from Ali will be protected under any plan also. That's the reality of the situation and deep down many GC's know this.

[bill cobbett]

Bill - I do see what you are saying but lets be totally honest - only some GC will return under any settlement plan. Those who have purchased from Ali will be protected under any plan also. That's the reality of the situation and deep down many GC's know this.

What can I say mate/matess? The above was my interpretation of the law as it stands today that overcomes the problem you identified in Ali seeming to gain. I for one will never be happy with unstable agreements that don't respect every one's human and property rights like what they do in the rest of Europe and almost everywhere else in the world.

I think I would be happy to go back and spend some time there, by the way, as long as it wasn't to a police/military/nationalist state but I have a small advantage in that I'm not a Cypro-Cypriot and don't carry the baggage of a lot of Cypriots ( especially my wife - everything but the kitchen sink when we travel there and back - 120kg of luggage between the two of us on the way back some years ago!)