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feck my wellington boots if every one in here is not talking shite

[humanist]

Power sharing works fine ...... try one person one vote. Works in almost every other country in the world.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

But that would mean the GC's would have to "gift" the North to the TC's, what ever % that may be, and from that date onwards, the GC's will never ever have any say so in the North anymore, despite 80% of the land belonging to the GC's, as well as those GC's choosing to live in the North will not have any voting rights, pass their properties to their heirs, sell their land to another GC, cannot hold any government jobs or positions, Turkish will be the official language, and to raps things up, everyone living in the North must give allegiance to Ataturk. Did I forget anything.?? And you expect the GC's to agree to a recognition of the North just to gain small % of land back.

Not gift they would either be compensated if they did not want to live under TC adminisration and those that wanted to reside with us in the TRNC could do so under the same laws enjoying the same rights as us. So the above scenario you paint in order to scaremonger will not work, the British live with us happily without any problems why couldnt the GCs?

Call me a pessimist, but I think the GC's would rather wait the TC's and Turkey out until Turkey is ready to be granted EU membership or Privileged Membership status. So it takes another 10-20 years.

By all means, this is their choice but would the rest of the world wait I get a strong feeling they wont, you can always take a risk and gamble.

In that time period the TC's will be swamped by the Turkish Nationals in the North, the South would have moved full steam ahead economically, and the North's economy will start to crumple as money will dry from selling stolen GC properties.

Good for the south, we wish them all the best in their 63%, the north will no longer concern them, why do you care? its our problem not yours.

If an agreed partition is going to be a total loss of the North for the GC's except for few % of land returned, why would they even consider allowing recognition for the North so that they can compete with the South on tourism and trade.?? Why would they want to lose their land forever and at the same time reward the TC's with a recognition, so that the TC's become a competition for them.?? I'm just thinking out loud, because VP thinks, in order to be good neighbours, the GC's will first have to cut their own throats so that they can bleed slowly, while the North prospers.

The north will prosper anyway, 8%++ minmum land return which would include Maras is not to be snubbed as it would mean the return of around 90.000 GC refugees, add to this the TC land exchanges and compensation packages I really feel it could work. As for competition with trust and cooperation gaining momentum the 2 sides could work together to promote tourism accross countries like Turkey and Greece do already.

Perhaps I got everything all upside down, and that what VP is proposing, will actually benefit the GC's over the TC's. Perhaps VP is thinking the best outcome for the GC's. Perhaps I'm just jerking with my self, and I just cant see the light that VP is offering to the GC's, to be given land and recognition to the TC's, so that the TC's and the GC's will come good neighbours and can sit down for nice "kelle" together. Well, I'm not jerking with myself, and if pushed came to shove, the GC's will just wait, and be prepared to lose the land if recognition were to come on the off chance that the planets will align themselves in the right position during one of these milleniums, then the GC's will make sure the North as well as Turkey stay in Asia for eternity.

You are just jerking around as agreed partition is not what you want thats why you will make every excuse under the sun and paint doom and gloom but in reality we already have partition which has brough peace and prosperity to both sides, unity did nto work but partition has, you cannot ignore this fact. We can wait as well and it is my prefered appraoch as I do not feel the GCs are sincere in their support for BBF and political equality of the 2 communities.

If you think that is not a big deal, think again. Turkey's stock market is down 29% in the first 3 months of 2008, ever since what Germany and France said about their EU prospects, as well as internal problems in Turkey itself. Other markets are down also, but no where near as bad as Turkey's. If Turkey does not manage to get into the EU, then there is a good chance she will become an Islamic country with radicalism becoming popular, and will become just another Middle East country without True Democracy. Average income has just climbed above $7,000, which is based in Dollars, and with the weakness of the dollar around the world and 8% inflation in Turkey, the actual purchasing power for the Turks is barely above $5,000. Hardly anything to write home about.

More doom and gloom why do you care so much? If we choose this route its our problem, you can side with your GC buddies and go you way and we will go ours, thats the whole point of agreed partition. I know you would support our failure but as I have said many time TCs will nto become a minority in a GC state, you need to get this fact registered in your head.

So all the Neo-Partionist can reject all reasonable True Federation offers to get Cyprus moving in the right direction in the hopes of getting an agreed partition, since a forced one for the last 30+ years has not worked, but my senses tell me, that the GC's will be more prepared to tell the TC's, "not in your life time", because they hold the key that will let Turkey into the West, as the last country standing in Turkey's way, if all the others in the EU are in an agreement to let her in. And if Turkey does not get into the EU and the North is lost to the TC's, then what would have been the difference with an agreed Partition.?? I would really like to know from the Neo-Partitionist specially.

Are you telling me that partition has not worked for GCs? you yourself cliam they have the best democracy in the world, respect even the ants human rights and are more wealthy than most countries put together. They have the GC state they longed for all they want now is more land and more wealth and they dont wanna share it with TCs, they want to take away our community rights quash our partnership and absorb us as a minority, aint gonna happen, with Turkeys hope of EU entry fading fast that leverage/key will be gone and there ill be no incentive for a solution, we all know Turkey is not an EU country and she will never make it in, slowly she to is realizing that the EU dream was just that a dream.

[GreekForumer]

We appear to be going around in circles, the debate rages and shows clearly that we will never agree jack shit, unless we are forced, so Ex Prsident Denktas was correct in saying that we cannot negotiate with GCs as the chasm is to wide and the sole aim of GCs is to take away our community rights and replace them with minority status. They even have problems contemplating a right for us to say no to decisions that will effect us more negatively than themselves...this for me is the most important issue as this would expose us to manipulation and dangers that we faced in the past.

Despair not, Viewpoint!
I have created a solution proposal with cuts out the greedy, unfair, intransigent GCs from the negotiation process. It's up to you and mama Turkey to decide what rights TCs should have. No GC involvement whatsoever!!

http://cyprus-forum.com/cyprus14428.html

Eagerly awaiting your contributions.

[Sotos]

Viewpoint my land is not sale to dirty pigs like you. Are you going to force me to sell it you fucking asshole? NO WAY! If you want trade then I buy your land and you can fuck off from my island!!

[zan]

Viewpoint my land is not sale to dirty pigs like you. Are you going to force me to sell it you fucking asshole? NO WAY! If you want trade then I buy your land and you can fuck off from my island!!

Make sure you say the same things to your government when they take it from you and give you a cheque!!!

[Big Al]

Viewpoint my land is not sale to dirty pigs like you. Are you going to force me to sell it you fucking asshole? NO WAY! If you want trade then I buy your land and you can fuck off from my island!!

your island? dont think so, how about you fuck off to the southern part of "your island" and dream about the north you cock sucker!!!

[Nikitas]

VP wrote:

"We do not want to be absorbed by GCs and are willing to return land and accept the return of GCs who wish to live in the TRNC to get recognition, this imho is the best way possible for everyone, we can be good neighbours and build trust and cooperation between the 2 countries and see where that takes us."

You make partition sound like a reasonable preamble to more good things to come. But you left out the presence of a sizeable Turkish army which will also be around, which in turn will mean that a sizeable mainland Greek army will be in the south, and most GCs do not want that.

[Kikapu]

Let them tear down the statues of Makarios and knock on the door of Tpap.......They are to blame for their losses.

Who said anything about anyone losing anything. At the same time, you have not been able to gain anything either. If you did, you would not be needing 40,000 troops to help you keep it. Sorry to remind you Zan, but whole of Cyprus is recognised by the world as a sovereign country for all Cypriots. Just because you can "bully" 200,000 off their property, does not mean they have lost their land and that you have gained it. Counterfeit Land Deeds are not good enough to make you the "new owners" of others land. Think of it as a "lay away plan" for the land that belongs to the 200,000 GC's. Their land is just earning interest as it's value goes up every day. You may be able to sell their land to the Morally Corrupted, but the good news is, they can't take that land away with them. The land will be there for their rightful owners, long after the Morally Corrupted are long gone.

[Kikapu]

So...Partition it is then Kikapolous!!!!!

70-30.....Final offer........



Greeks destroy the Zurich agreement and then vote OXI on the Annan Plan and then turn around and tell us that power sharing is doomed to failure...Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa........I hear that Rothmans is planning a new campaign to show that cigarettes are good for you!!!

So Pinocchio, are you offering me 70% of your Girlfriend or just the lousy 30%???

I know you are married, but hey, it's not as if you cannot be Morally Corrupted and have a Girlfriend also. As a matter of fact Pinocchio, it seems to be a prerequisite for becoming "hard core" Partitionist.

The analogy is crap, think of it more as property and divorce and you will get a clearer picture. Its a land divide not the use of a persons body.

No VP, my analogy was based on what I wrote on page one of this thread, that Power Sharing and sharing of one's Girlfriend with another man. Perhaps you missed the opening page. It would make sense why you missed the point.