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[denizaksulu]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

The Palestinians have not forgotten being refugees created when the Israelis forced them off their land 60 years ago. Would you like to place a bet as to when they will forget being refugees, because I sure will not bet against any time against them.

Well, it's the same with Cypriots. 1571 has not been forgotten, therefore neither will be 1974. That should tell you something about the Cypriot mind. My best advice to all is, sort out your differences now and reach a just and fair solution, because your neighbour knows where you live and what you have taken from them.

I think the date 1571 should be forgotten by the Cypriotss. What was the last date Cyprus was ruled by the Cypriotss or Sovereign?

I agree with you Deniz, that the 1571 date has long passed it's "shelf life". Unfortunately, it is reminded to us over and over again, because of these more recent dates and events of 1960, 1963, 1964, 1974 , 1983 and 2004. Unless Cypriots are able to rule their own land freely in a Democratic way as equal citizens shared by all Cypriots, then these dates will not go away and will be remembered in the future.

I was only after a date and a mention of Isaac Comnenus, but you did not give me a straight answer. You are a 'Politician'.

Was he Cypriot or a vassal of the Byzantine Empire? Dont answer, you will only confuse the issue.

[Kikapu]

Here is "master" Kofi Annan's 50-50 power sharing plan at work in Kenya and why it is not working. Expect the same in Cyprus. It did not work in the past and it will not work in the future. Proportionate Power is what is accepted in a True Democracy.


ReutersPublished: April 9, 2008


Kenya opposition halts talks

By Katie Nguyen and Daniel Wallis


NAIROBI: Kenya's opposition suspended talks with President Mwai Kibaki's party on Tuesday and police fired tear gas to scatter opposition supporters protesting against deepening deadlock over a power-sharing cabinet.

Kibaki and rival Raila Odinga delayed naming a cabinet on Monday after disagreeing over how to share out ministries and traded blame over who was responsible for the deadlock.

The cabinet is central to a deal on ending Kenya's post-election crisis.

Anyang' Nyong'o, secretary-general of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, said talks would be suspended until Kibaki's party "fully recognizes the 50/50 power-sharing arrangement and the principle of portfolio balance."

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua condemned the walkout and accused ODM of playing games.

"They are the ones who do not want the coalition. How can they walk out of talks and make demands? Demands are made at the negotiating table," he said.

Full story at:

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/200 ... LITICS.php

[Kikapu]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

The Palestinians have not forgotten being refugees created when the Israelis forced them off their land 60 years ago. Would you like to place a bet as to when they will forget being refugees, because I sure will not bet against any time against them.

Well, it's the same with Cypriots. 1571 has not been forgotten, therefore neither will be 1974. That should tell you something about the Cypriot mind. My best advice to all is, sort out your differences now and reach a just and fair solution, because your neighbour knows where you live and what you have taken from them.

I think the date 1571 should be forgotten by the Cypriotss. What was the last date Cyprus was ruled by the Cypriotss or Sovereign?

I agree with you Deniz, that the 1571 date has long passed it's "shelf life". Unfortunately, it is reminded to us over and over again, because of these more recent dates and events of 1960, 1963, 1964, 1974 , 1983 and 2004. Unless Cypriots are able to rule their own land freely in a Democratic way as equal citizens shared by all Cypriots, then these dates will not go away and will be remembered in the future.

I was only after a date and a mention of Isaac Comnenus, but you did not give me a straight answer. You are a 'Politician'.

Was he Cypriot or a vassal of the Byzantine Empire? Dont answer, you will only confuse the issue.

[zan]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

Thanks GR. For the sake of Cyprus, these so-called 'rebels' need to start following the rules, because it's really not 'cool' anymore..

What rules are they Natty..The ones that allow those that took our country away from us to keep it...Nice rules...

But isn't that what Turkey did in 1974 Zan? Didn't they come and take part of our country away from us, 37% to be exact? And would they not end up 'keeping it', if in the future the solution was based on an agreed Partition? Cyprus isn't the Cyprus it was 30, 40 even 50 years ago, ideas have come and gone, things have moved on and yet some are still stuck in the mindset of the past. We have the luxury of being able to look back and see where we went wrong and why, so that we can steer clear of all the wrong paths we followed or, in some cases, were forced to follow. One such ‘path’ was the 1960 constitution, in my opinion it was one of the main reasons why things went pear shaped in the years after it was introduced (obviously not excluding the other factors that led to the breakdown and subsequent violence...) so it makes sense that we try to avoid a solution based on the same principles. Thus, preferably, a fair solution would exclude things like the use of Vetoes left right and centre, disproportionate power sharing, ‘separate this’ and ‘separate that’, etc. If we go down the same path that we were forced to go down years ago, it's more than likely we will end up in a similar position we were in, in the 60's, something I'm sure the vast majority of Cypriots, myself included, would want to avoid at all cost…

The past, as in Turkey being on the island, is not the only past that is relevant Natty.....The fact that the "RoC" stole our country and STILL has it under her control is a big player in the Cyprob....

The Zurich agreement was the only option at the time because the Greeks wanted ENOSIS and that is a fact. Democracy, as you describe it and not me, would have meant that the island would have been given to the Greeks and there is no two ways about it. It had every chance oof working had it not been sabotaged and that it would not have worked is a just a myth spread about by those that have other agendas.

I will ask again then, as you have an opinion about VETOS.....Should he "RoC" give hers back in the EU?????

[denizaksulu]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

The Palestinians have not forgotten being refugees created when the Israelis forced them off their land 60 years ago. Would you like to place a bet as to when they will forget being refugees, because I sure will not bet against any time against them.

Well, it's the same with Cypriots. 1571 has not been forgotten, therefore neither will be 1974. That should tell you something about the Cypriot mind. My best advice to all is, sort out your differences now and reach a just and fair solution, because your neighbour knows where you live and what you have taken from them.

I think the date 1571 should be forgotten by the Cypriotss. What was the last date Cyprus was ruled by the Cypriotss or Sovereign?

I agree with you Deniz, that the 1571 date has long passed it's "shelf life". Unfortunately, it is reminded to us over and over again, because of these more recent dates and events of 1960, 1963, 1964, 1974 , 1983 and 2004. Unless Cypriots are able to rule their own land freely in a Democratic way as equal citizens shared by all Cypriots, then these dates will not go away and will be remembered in the future.

I was only after a date and a mention of Isaac Comnenus, but you did not give me a straight answer. You are a 'Politician'.

Was he Cypriot or a vassal of the Byzantine Empire? Dont answer, you will only confuse the issue.

I need to look it up, now that I remember that name. Did he sell Cyprus or was Cyprus wrested from him by Richard of England
(the Lion-heart)

[zan]

Here is "master" Kofi Annan's 50-50 power sharing plan at work in Kenya and why it is not working. Expect the same in Cyprus. It did not work in the past and it will not work in the future. Proportionate Power is what is accepted in a True Democracy.


ReutersPublished: April 9, 2008


Kenya opposition halts talks

By Katie Nguyen and Daniel Wallis


NAIROBI: Kenya's opposition suspended talks with President Mwai Kibaki's party on Tuesday and police fired tear gas to scatter opposition supporters protesting against deepening deadlock over a power-sharing cabinet.

Kibaki and rival Raila Odinga delayed naming a cabinet on Monday after disagreeing over how to share out ministries and traded blame over who was responsible for the deadlock.

The cabinet is central to a deal on ending Kenya's post-election crisis.

Anyang' Nyong'o, secretary-general of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, said talks would be suspended until Kibaki's party "fully recognizes the 50/50 power-sharing arrangement and the principle of portfolio balance."

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua condemned the walkout and accused ODM of playing games.

"They are the ones who do not want the coalition. How can they walk out of talks and make demands? Demands are made at the negotiating table," he said.

Full story at:

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/200 ... LITICS.php

Should they have gone all the way and given one side the license to persecute the other in stead...........It has to be appreciated from both sides mate but perhaps they learned from Makarios how to destroy it....Isn't he big in Africa

[DT.]

Here is "master" Kofi Annan's 50-50 power sharing plan at work in Kenya and why it is not working. Expect the same in Cyprus. It did not work in the past and it will not work in the future. Proportionate Power is what is accepted in a True Democracy.


ReutersPublished: April 9, 2008


Kenya opposition halts talks

By Katie Nguyen and Daniel Wallis


NAIROBI: Kenya's opposition suspended talks with President Mwai Kibaki's party on Tuesday and police fired tear gas to scatter opposition supporters protesting against deepening deadlock over a power-sharing cabinet.

Kibaki and rival Raila Odinga delayed naming a cabinet on Monday after disagreeing over how to share out ministries and traded blame over who was responsible for the deadlock.

The cabinet is central to a deal on ending Kenya's post-election crisis.

Anyang' Nyong'o, secretary-general of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, said talks would be suspended until Kibaki's party "fully recognizes the 50/50 power-sharing arrangement and the principle of portfolio balance."

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua condemned the walkout and accused ODM of playing games.

"They are the ones who do not want the coalition. How can they walk out of talks and make demands? Demands are made at the negotiating table," he said.

Full story at:

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/200 ... LITICS.php

Should they have gone all the way and given one side the license to persecute the other in stead...........It has to be appreciated from both sides mate but perhaps they learned from Makarios how to destroy it....Isn't he big in Africa

As oppossed to Denktash who's big everywhere?

[zan]

Here is "master" Kofi Annan's 50-50 power sharing plan at work in Kenya and why it is not working. Expect the same in Cyprus. It did not work in the past and it will not work in the future. Proportionate Power is what is accepted in a True Democracy.


ReutersPublished: April 9, 2008


Kenya opposition halts talks

By Katie Nguyen and Daniel Wallis


NAIROBI: Kenya's opposition suspended talks with President Mwai Kibaki's party on Tuesday and police fired tear gas to scatter opposition supporters protesting against deepening deadlock over a power-sharing cabinet.

Kibaki and rival Raila Odinga delayed naming a cabinet on Monday after disagreeing over how to share out ministries and traded blame over who was responsible for the deadlock.

The cabinet is central to a deal on ending Kenya's post-election crisis.

Anyang' Nyong'o, secretary-general of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, said talks would be suspended until Kibaki's party "fully recognizes the 50/50 power-sharing arrangement and the principle of portfolio balance."

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua condemned the walkout and accused ODM of playing games.

"They are the ones who do not want the coalition. How can they walk out of talks and make demands? Demands are made at the negotiating table," he said.

Full story at:

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/200 ... LITICS.php

Should they have gone all the way and given one side the license to persecute the other in stead...........It has to be appreciated from both sides mate but perhaps they learned from Makarios how to destroy it....Isn't he big in Africa

As oppossed to Denktash who's big everywhere?

There is nothing worse than an ex-smoker telling you to give up but a fat man in a thin mans body.....DT!!!

[DT.]

Here is "master" Kofi Annan's 50-50 power sharing plan at work in Kenya and why it is not working. Expect the same in Cyprus. It did not work in the past and it will not work in the future. Proportionate Power is what is accepted in a True Democracy.


ReutersPublished: April 9, 2008


Kenya opposition halts talks

By Katie Nguyen and Daniel Wallis


NAIROBI: Kenya's opposition suspended talks with President Mwai Kibaki's party on Tuesday and police fired tear gas to scatter opposition supporters protesting against deepening deadlock over a power-sharing cabinet.

Kibaki and rival Raila Odinga delayed naming a cabinet on Monday after disagreeing over how to share out ministries and traded blame over who was responsible for the deadlock.

The cabinet is central to a deal on ending Kenya's post-election crisis.

Anyang' Nyong'o, secretary-general of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, said talks would be suspended until Kibaki's party "fully recognizes the 50/50 power-sharing arrangement and the principle of portfolio balance."

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua condemned the walkout and accused ODM of playing games.

"They are the ones who do not want the coalition. How can they walk out of talks and make demands? Demands are made at the negotiating table," he said.

Full story at:

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/200 ... LITICS.php

Should they have gone all the way and given one side the license to persecute the other in stead...........It has to be appreciated from both sides mate but perhaps they learned from Makarios how to destroy it....Isn't he big in Africa

As oppossed to Denktash who's big everywhere?

There is nothing worse than an ex-smoker telling you to give up but a fat man in a thin mans body.....DT!!!

Straight over my head wooosh.....

[zan]

woosh woosh..There go another two.......Easy peasy really