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[zan]

No amount of telling will educate you dear kikaplopus....But I will try to make it simple........Taking land from people to build airports and roads so that tthe GCs can make money while they hold the TCs under siege is acceptable to your twisted mind so why not take the land that is refugee land, and pay the people of course, and then give it to the TCs so that they can have their own state or at least a part of their own country in which they feel safe if there is to be a fair solution and unification......I did not use the "A" word for your ease of use!!! Now the war conditions is in the words of those that still say that there is a cease fire and the border is not a border........If we are still at war then that makes the fact that the "RoC" appropriated land in time of war and not peace as you said it was doing......You can't have it both ways darling so which is it to be........War or peace time.....If war...Then you will agree with me that it should not have appropriated any land.....If peace then accept the border..........I wish I had held on to that ticking clock.....

I knew I was confused before, and now I know why with your above attempted explanation.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, who is making money from who's land. Is it the RoC making money from the TC land in the South, or is it the "TRNC" making money from GC land in the North. My guess is, it's the the "TRNC" .......what do you think.?? And you want the RoC to give money for the TC's land in the South, so that TC's can build a state in the North so that it becomes a TC country.

And in the meantime, the GC land in the North becomes a TC country.!!!

Perhaps you meant, that the RoC gives the GC's money for the land they own in the North, so that the RoC can "gift" the North to the TC's to make it a TC state (country). Isn't that the same thing the Annan Plan 2004 was all about, which was for the RoC to pay all the GC refugees for the loss of their land in the North, so that the TC's can have their own state (country) in the North as a Confederate state with the "virgin birth" concept. Not a bad deal if you can get it. Well, all dreams must come to an end, as that one did also.

The TC's can have their "own" state in the North as one of two states in a True Federation. That state will not become a TC state or a TC country. If that is what you intend, a) it will not happen, and b) the RoC is not going to help you happen, and specially not by giving you money on top of it for it to happen.

Are you a complete burke or are you working your way up to being one...Great expectations Kikaplousiko....

What do you think the "RoC" built an airport on and what the TCs have been shouting about all this time Have they made money out of tourism since then or not........You really don't need me to confuse you mate...You are in that constant state already...You have no idea what the hell you are talking about......Roads, airports and hotels........All to make the island a prettier place for the loonies.......Welcome home loony!!!

[Big Al]

Kikapu,
Is accusing others of being gay reducing your craving for cock???
Calling Eric Dayi gay wont stop you being a cum dribbling knob jockey.

[zan]

kick-a-poo-tassos the Pinocchio

You call Turks "Mongols" and fight hand and tooth on the GC side and lie to us that you are a TC. That makes you the biggest and vilest liar in this forum and in the whole of Cyprus. You are a fucking convert caught with your frigging trousers down lying to all while dancing on your knees for your masters for what every they stick in your mouth.

The photo above is a reflection of you looking in your mirror but even your mirror is as much a liar as you fucking are, the nose should be at least a mile long with all the bloody lies and GC propaganda you have spewed in this forum about you being a TC alongside of all the other lies your masters paid you full in dangling flesh.

You are scum of the earth and should be shot at first dawn as you suggested others should be shot.

Kick-a-poo-tasos get back to what you do best, being a belly dancing monkey on your hands and knees for your masters you convert because you are a terrible liar and make yourself look more stupid than you already are.

kick-a-poo-tassos doing what he does best, belly dancing for his masters.

You are scum of the earth and should be shot at first dawn as you suggested others should be shot.

The TMT terrorist in you has not left since the 1950's, has it Bi-Sexual Wife Beater.

That's exactly what you did with TC's in the past who did not want your Fascist ideology. You have murdered them. Sorry to disappoint you AC/DC, but those days are gone and your treats will not work. You are nothing but a weak AC/DC that resorts to terrorism. Here you go Zan and VP. Here is an example of what you are supporting by belonging to the Neo Partitionist groups. The legacy of Taksim and terrorism still alive and well today as it was back in the 50's. I hope you are all very proud of your AC/DC man Eric Dayi.

Just who and when did I suggest anyone should be shot.

I'll get back to you tomorrow AC/DC.

All your posts are dripping with Gay Sex talk. I was right about you AC/DC. You are nothing but a Closet Bi-Sexual.

OOOOOH! Get her!!!

[Eric dayi]

Kikapu,
Is accusing others of being gay reducing your craving for cock???
Calling Eric Dayi gay wont stop you being a cum dribbling knob jockey.

He is only reflecting his own gay sexuality Big Al in the hope that he finds more gay belly dancing monkeys like himself to "play" with.

Maybe he is not satisfied with the dangling flesh his masters are paying him any more and is looking for a new "mate". He loves "greek style".


Here's kick-a-poonokio-polous doing what he does best again in part two.

[Natty]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

Thanks GR. For the sake of Cyprus, these so-called 'rebels' need to start following the rules, because it's really not 'cool' anymore..

What rules are they Natty..The ones that allow those that took our country away from us to keep it...Nice rules...

But isn't that what Turkey did in 1974 Zan? Didn't they come and take part of our country away from us, 37% to be exact? And would they not end up 'keeping it', if in the future the solution was based on an agreed Partition? Cyprus isn't the Cyprus it was 30, 40 even 50 years ago, ideas have come and gone, things have moved on and yet some are still stuck in the mindset of the past. We have the luxury of being able to look back and see where we went wrong and why, so that we can steer clear of all the wrong paths we followed or, in some cases, were forced to follow. One such ‘path’ was the 1960 constitution, in my opinion it was one of the main reasons why things went pear shaped in the years after it was introduced (obviously not excluding the other factors that led to the breakdown and subsequent violence...) so it makes sense that we try to avoid a solution based on the same principles. Thus, preferably, a fair solution would exclude things like the use of Vetoes left right and centre, disproportionate power sharing, ‘separate this’ and ‘separate that’, etc. If we go down the same path that we were forced to go down years ago, it's more than likely we will end up in a similar position we were in, in the 60's, something I'm sure the vast majority of Cypriots, myself included, would want to avoid at all cost…

[Eric dayi]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

Thanks GR. For the sake of Cyprus, these so-called 'rebels' need to start following the rules, because it's really not 'cool' anymore..

What rules are they Natty..The ones that allow those that took our country away from us to keep it...Nice rules...

But isn't that what Turkey did in 1974 Zan? Didn't they come and take part of our country away from us, 37% to be exact? And would they not end up 'keeping it', if in the future the solution was based on an agreed Partition? Cyprus isn't the Cyprus it was 30, 40 even 50 years ago, ideas have come and gone, things have moved on and yet some are still stuck in the mindset of the past. We have the luxury of being able to look back and see where we went wrong and why, so that we can steer clear of all the wrong paths we followed or, in some cases, were forced to follow. One such ‘path’ was the 1960 constitution, in my opinion it was one of the main reasons why things went pear shaped in the years after it was introduced (obviously not excluding the other factors that led to the breakdown and subsequent violence...) so it makes sense that we try to avoid a solution based on the same principles. Thus, preferably, a fair solution would exclude things like the use of Vetoes left right and centre, disproportionate power sharing, ‘separate this’ and ‘separate that’, etc. If we go down the same path that we were forced to go down years ago, it's more than likely we will end up in a similar position we were in, in the 60's, something I'm sure the vast majority of Cypriots, myself included, would want to avoid at all cost…

The ONLY reason that the 1960 constitution didn't work was because of the expansionist dream of the Greeks and GCs and ENOSIS. Had the GCs not been so greedy and tried to genocide us TCs for ENOSIS and had wanted the constitution to work and tried to make it work it would have worked. All we needed was a President who had more interest in a free Cyprus and it's people but instead we got a man of God who in reality was the head of the terrorist organisation EOKA who washed his hands in Turkish Cypriot blood.

What would be a fair and just solution in Cyprus for you Natty?

a) The GCs as majority and TCs as minority, meaning Cyprus as a GC only ruled country? (Not my or any other TCs choice, it's one suggested by many GCs in this forum and preferred by the GC "government)

or

b) Each to his own side and live side by side as good neighbours and in peace?

or maybe you have another suggestion?

But seen as you already mentioned "disproportionate power sharing" amongst other things you are against, can I take it that you favour choice a?

[Expatkiwi]

The ONLY reason that the 1960 constitution didn't work was because of the expansionist dream of the Greeks and GCs and ENOSIS. Had the GCs not been so greedy and tried to genocide us TCs for ENOSIS and had wanted the constitution to work and tried to make it work it would have worked. All we needed was a President who had more interest in a free Cyprus and it's people but instead we got a man of God who in reality was the head of the terrorist organisation EOKA who washed his hands in Turkish Cypriot blood.

What would be a fair and just solution in Cyprus for you Natty?

a) The GCs as majority and TCs as minority, meaning Cyprus as a GC only ruled country? (Not my or any other TCs choice, it's one suggested by many GCs in this forum and preferred by the GC "government)

or

b) Each to his own side and live side by side as good neighbours and in peace?

or maybe you have another suggestion?

But seen as you already mentioned "disproportionate power sharing" amongst other things you are against, can I take it that you favour choice a?

I think the proper word would be 'dominiation', Eric. A Greek Majority just would not feel well disposed to a Turkish Minority. The historical antipathy and emnity between both racial groups would assure that. Serbia is a real good case in point. There were a number of Serbs who had no problems with minorities, but when the radicals started their pogroms, they let it happen, stating, "what can I do?"
There are probably a large number of Greek Cypriots who don't have anything per se against their Turkish Cypriot counterparts, but I just don't see them stepping in to stop Greek Cypriot radicals from any moves against Turkish Cypriots, if they had the opportunity to strike.

[Big Al]

The ONLY reason that the 1960 constitution didn't work was because of the expansionist dream of the Greeks and GCs and ENOSIS. Had the GCs not been so greedy and tried to genocide us TCs for ENOSIS and had wanted the constitution to work and tried to make it work it would have worked. All we needed was a President who had more interest in a free Cyprus and it's people but instead we got a man of God who in reality was the head of the terrorist organisation EOKA who washed his hands in Turkish Cypriot blood.

What would be a fair and just solution in Cyprus for you Natty?

a) The GCs as majority and TCs as minority, meaning Cyprus as a GC only ruled country? (Not my or any other TCs choice, it's one suggested by many GCs in this forum and preferred by the GC "government)

or

b) Each to his own side and live side by side as good neighbours and in peace?

or maybe you have another suggestion?

But seen as you already mentioned "disproportionate power sharing" amongst other things you are against, can I take it that you favour choice a?

I think the proper word would be 'dominiation', Eric. A Greek Majority just would not feel well disposed to a Turkish Minority. The historical antipathy and emnity between both racial groups would assure that. Serbia is a real good case in point. There were a number of Serbs who had no problems with minorities, but when the radicals started their pogroms, they let it happen, stating, "what can I do?"
There are probably a large number of Greek Cypriots who don't have anything per se against their Turkish Cypriot counterparts, but I just don't see them stepping in to stop Greek Cypriot radicals from any moves against Turkish Cypriots, if they had the opportunity to strike.

Expatkiwi, you are one of only a handful of people on this forum that seem to have a good grip on the realities of cyprus. you make alot of sense without the dribble we hear from most on this forum.

[denizaksulu]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

The Palestinians have not forgotten being refugees created when the Israelis forced them off their land 60 years ago. Would you like to place a bet as to when they will forget being refugees, because I sure will not bet against any time against them.

Well, it's the same with Cypriots. 1571 has not been forgotten, therefore neither will be 1974. That should tell you something about the Cypriot mind. My best advice to all is, sort out your differences now and reach a just and fair solution, because your neighbour knows where you live and what you have taken from them.

I think the date 1571 should be forgotten by the Cypriotss. What was the last date Cyprus was ruled by the Cypriotss or Sovereign?

[Kikapu]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

The Palestinians have not forgotten being refugees created when the Israelis forced them off their land 60 years ago. Would you like to place a bet as to when they will forget being refugees, because I sure will not bet against any time against them.

Well, it's the same with Cypriots. 1571 has not been forgotten, therefore neither will be 1974. That should tell you something about the Cypriot mind. My best advice to all is, sort out your differences now and reach a just and fair solution, because your neighbour knows where you live and what you have taken from them.

I think the date 1571 should be forgotten by the Cypriotss. What was the last date Cyprus was ruled by the Cypriotss or Sovereign?

I agree with you Deniz, that the 1571 date has long passed it's "shelf life". Unfortunately, it is reminded to us over and over again, because of these more recent dates and events of 1960, 1963, 1964, 1974 , 1983 and 2004. Unless Cypriots are able to rule their own land freely in a Democratic way as equal citizens shared by all Cypriots, then these dates will not go away and will be remembered in the future.