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First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....

So, once again you do not want to count to children born to refugees after 1974 as being refugees. I counted TC's kids as refugees. Just to make you happy Zan, from now on, I will say "about or under" 200,000 GC refugees.
Happy now.............good.!!

I did not say 200,000 GC's homes were lost. I said, 200,000 GC's lost their homes. Do you have a problem in understanding simple English or does your propaganda mind wants to twist everything.

The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

I know what "Appropriation" means. I just don't know what is it that you want to say about it as far as you wanting the RoC to give "land for peace as they do for profit". You talk in a very fragmented way, it is very difficult to string your thoughts to mean anything that we can understand. So Zan, why don't you take few minutes, and tell us what you mean by when you said "RoC should give land for peace as they do for profit" and explain Appropriation during war times.?? We are all waiting to be educated by you.

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......

Their is only one truth, then their is Zan's.!!

So smart guy, you think I'm just like Inspector Jacques Clouseau and not like Inspector Columbo. Well, in fact, they are more or less the same. They both get their cases solved and get the bad guys. So, so far you have failed to win any points there with the comparison of the two.

But lets dive into this a little bit closer. I in fact accept being compared to Clouseau. Lets face it, the guy is indestructible. No matter what anyone tries to do to him, he comes out of it. A little tattered clothes at times, but he is there to go after his "enemies". He never gives up. He gets to score with the ladies at times, which is always a nice feature as far as I'm concerned.

Now lets see who is in Clouseau's life. Well, we have "Cato" which Clouseau calls him "my little yellow friend" who always tries sneak attack on Clouseau. This person best suits VP personality. They spar with each other, wrecking the house, but Clouseau always finishes in triumph, and the two get back to being "normal" again, until the next sneak attack planned by "Cato". !!

You Zan play the part as the Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus, who is trying to destroy Clouseau's and his reputation, but always falling short, no matter what he tries. Just like the time when he was getting angry with Clouseau in his office and tries to shoot him with his gun, but turns out to be only a cigarette lighter, so only a small flame came out, which Clouseau lit his cigarette with. After Clouseau was dismissed, Dreyfus wanted to light a cigarette also, what he thought was the "toy gun", but he picked up his own gun by mistake, and almost shot his own head off. That very much describes you Zan. You are always shooting off your mouth.

But it does not end there for poor Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus (Zan). No, because in his haste to get Clouseau, he goes to extreme measures, but in the end, he just goes CRAZY and ends up in the "Nut House" and develops a twitching eye when ever he gets angry with Clouseau. He goes complete berzerk. Even when Clouseau tries to help him get out of the "Nut House", he does not accept his help. In the end, poor Drayfus (Zan) cannot be released from the "Nut House" because he does not have a sound mind, so instead, he escapes. So, the loony Dreyfus (Zan) is on the loose without a sound mind trying to get to Clouseau. But at the end, Clouseau is promoted as Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, and poor Dreyfus (Zan) ends up wondering the streets without a sound mind and going from one "Nut House" to another for the rest of his life.

So Zan, anymore Fictitious Characters you would like to compare me with.

Dont any of these refugees die? if you add on the children then you should subtract the deaths.

[Kikapu]

First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....

So, once again you do not want to count to children born to refugees after 1974 as being refugees. I counted TC's kids as refugees. Just to make you happy Zan, from now on, I will say "about or under" 200,000 GC refugees.
Happy now.............good.!!

I did not say 200,000 GC's homes were lost. I said, 200,000 GC's lost their homes. Do you have a problem in understanding simple English or does your propaganda mind wants to twist everything.

The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

I know what "Appropriation" means. I just don't know what is it that you want to say about it as far as you wanting the RoC to give "land for peace as they do for profit". You talk in a very fragmented way, it is very difficult to string your thoughts to mean anything that we can understand. So Zan, why don't you take few minutes, and tell us what you mean by when you said "RoC should give land for peace as they do for profit" and explain Appropriation during war times.?? We are all waiting to be educated by you.

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......

Their is only one truth, then their is Zan's.!!

So smart guy, you think I'm just like Inspector Jacques Clouseau and not like Inspector Columbo. Well, in fact, they are more or less the same. They both get their cases solved and get the bad guys. So, so far you have failed to win any points there with the comparison of the two.

But lets dive into this a little bit closer. I in fact accept being compared to Clouseau. Lets face it, the guy is indestructible. No matter what anyone tries to do to him, he comes out of it. A little tattered clothes at times, but he is there to go after his "enemies". He never gives up. He gets to score with the ladies at times, which is always a nice feature as far as I'm concerned.

Now lets see who is in Clouseau's life. Well, we have "Cato" which Clouseau calls him "my little yellow friend" who always tries sneak attack on Clouseau. This person best suits VP personality. They spar with each other, wrecking the house, but Clouseau always finishes in triumph, and the two get back to being "normal" again, until the next sneak attack planned by "Cato". !!

You Zan play the part as the Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus, who is trying to destroy Clouseau's and his reputation, but always falling short, no matter what he tries. Just like the time when he was getting angry with Clouseau in his office and tries to shoot him with his gun, but turns out to be only a cigarette lighter, so only a small flame came out, which Clouseau lit his cigarette with. After Clouseau was dismissed, Dreyfus wanted to light a cigarette also, what he thought was the "toy gun", but he picked up his own gun by mistake, and almost shot his own head off. That very much describes you Zan. You are always shooting off your mouth.

But it does not end there for poor Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus (Zan). No, because in his haste to get Clouseau, he goes to extreme measures, but in the end, he just goes CRAZY and ends up in the "Nut House" and develops a twitching eye when ever he gets angry with Clouseau. He goes complete berzerk. Even when Clouseau tries to help him get out of the "Nut House", he does not accept his help. In the end, poor Drayfus (Zan) cannot be released from the "Nut House" because he does not have a sound mind, so instead, he escapes. So, the loony Dreyfus (Zan) is on the loose without a sound mind trying to get to Clouseau. But at the end, Clouseau is promoted as Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, and poor Dreyfus (Zan) ends up wondering the streets without a sound mind and going from one "Nut House" to another for the rest of his life.

So Zan, anymore Fictitious Characters you would like to compare me with.

Dont any of these refugees die? if you add on the children then you should subtract the deaths.

We did not get to have 6.5 Billion people on the Earth from "Adam & Eve", Just because people die. Following your logic, Humans should have been extinct along with all other living things long time ago.

Nature's secret VP, it goes the other way.!!!

[DT.]

good one VP

[Viewpoint]

First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....

So, once again you do not want to count to children born to refugees after 1974 as being refugees. I counted TC's kids as refugees. Just to make you happy Zan, from now on, I will say "about or under" 200,000 GC refugees.
Happy now.............good.!!

I did not say 200,000 GC's homes were lost. I said, 200,000 GC's lost their homes. Do you have a problem in understanding simple English or does your propaganda mind wants to twist everything.

The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

I know what "Appropriation" means. I just don't know what is it that you want to say about it as far as you wanting the RoC to give "land for peace as they do for profit". You talk in a very fragmented way, it is very difficult to string your thoughts to mean anything that we can understand. So Zan, why don't you take few minutes, and tell us what you mean by when you said "RoC should give land for peace as they do for profit" and explain Appropriation during war times.?? We are all waiting to be educated by you.

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......

Their is only one truth, then their is Zan's.!!

So smart guy, you think I'm just like Inspector Jacques Clouseau and not like Inspector Columbo. Well, in fact, they are more or less the same. They both get their cases solved and get the bad guys. So, so far you have failed to win any points there with the comparison of the two.

But lets dive into this a little bit closer. I in fact accept being compared to Clouseau. Lets face it, the guy is indestructible. No matter what anyone tries to do to him, he comes out of it. A little tattered clothes at times, but he is there to go after his "enemies". He never gives up. He gets to score with the ladies at times, which is always a nice feature as far as I'm concerned.

Now lets see who is in Clouseau's life. Well, we have "Cato" which Clouseau calls him "my little yellow friend" who always tries sneak attack on Clouseau. This person best suits VP personality. They spar with each other, wrecking the house, but Clouseau always finishes in triumph, and the two get back to being "normal" again, until the next sneak attack planned by "Cato". !!

You Zan play the part as the Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus, who is trying to destroy Clouseau's and his reputation, but always falling short, no matter what he tries. Just like the time when he was getting angry with Clouseau in his office and tries to shoot him with his gun, but turns out to be only a cigarette lighter, so only a small flame came out, which Clouseau lit his cigarette with. After Clouseau was dismissed, Dreyfus wanted to light a cigarette also, what he thought was the "toy gun", but he picked up his own gun by mistake, and almost shot his own head off. That very much describes you Zan. You are always shooting off your mouth.

But it does not end there for poor Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus (Zan). No, because in his haste to get Clouseau, he goes to extreme measures, but in the end, he just goes CRAZY and ends up in the "Nut House" and develops a twitching eye when ever he gets angry with Clouseau. He goes complete berzerk. Even when Clouseau tries to help him get out of the "Nut House", he does not accept his help. In the end, poor Drayfus (Zan) cannot be released from the "Nut House" because he does not have a sound mind, so instead, he escapes. So, the loony Dreyfus (Zan) is on the loose without a sound mind trying to get to Clouseau. But at the end, Clouseau is promoted as Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, and poor Dreyfus (Zan) ends up wondering the streets without a sound mind and going from one "Nut House" to another for the rest of his life.

So Zan, anymore Fictitious Characters you would like to compare me with.

Dont any of these refugees die? if you add on the children then you should subtract the deaths.

We did not get to have 6.5 Billion people on the Earth from "Adam & Eve", Just because people die. Following your logic, Humans should have been extinct along with all other living things long time ago.

Nature's secret VP, it goes the other way.!!!

When does a refugee stop being a refugee? 2 3 4 5 generations down? that would mean we are all refugees I reckon we should add on the second generation births subtract the deaths add on only a half for 3rd generation and a quarter for those who have blue eyes one third for those that do not reside on the island then we might get somewhere

[Natty]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Natty,

You are absolutely right. This is what we are talking about, the difference between proportionate power where everyone can accept and live with it and disproportionate power where one has great advantage over the other. This is why the 1960 Constitution did not work, why the 2004 AP did not pass, and anything close to those two past disproportionate power proposals for the future, will also fail. It does not even look good on paper when such proposals are made, let alone making it work in practice. Sooner or later, resentment will build up, then you have problems. The problem is, some believe it is their inherit right to have more power than they deserve, and yet, at the same time they would want to deny the same amount of power to others who's ethnic groups are smaller than theirs. Not only they do not believe in Democracy, they also do not believe in giving others the same undemocratic advantages they see fit for themselves. It may have something to do with the mentality of the past and laws practised in Islamic countries in general. Some people are stuck in the 16th Century I'm afraid. Give them another century, and their views more than likely will not change too much still. It is called denying who they are, and what their place is in a modern society and modern times. They associate being a "numerical minority" as a decease rather than reality of fact. "Numerical minority" is what someone is born into and it is not a curse, and neither does it mean one has any less rights in the country they are born in. They are just as equal to anyone else. The only thing that keeps them inferior to the "numerical majority", is their 16th century mentality, where the minority had power and control over the majority.

Absolutely Kikapu, I agree. We're in the 21st century for goodness sake, and in 21st century Europe Democracy rules, unfortunately for some it seems...

[Natty]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Whether the day to day power sharing is 30% or 18% does not really matter in my eyes bt the veto does and the guarantee from Turkey does also. The disproportionate power used against us by the numerical majority in 1963 was a misuse of power would you not say?

So that we can have a deadlock again? And can't you say the same for what happened in 1974? I know there's a security concern, but as I said, best possible way to avoid another conflict? A fair democratic solution..

[Natty]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

Thanks GR. For the sake of Cyprus, these so-called 'rebels' need to start following the rules, because it's really not 'cool' anymore..

[Get Real!]

When does a refugee stop being a refugee?

Once a refugee always a refugee don't you know that VP? You should've left them alone in the first place!

[zan]

First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....

So, once again you do not want to count to children born to refugees after 1974 as being refugees. I counted TC's kids as refugees. Just to make you happy Zan, from now on, I will say "about or under" 200,000 GC refugees.
Happy now.............good.!!

I did not say 200,000 GC's homes were lost. I said, 200,000 GC's lost their homes. Do you have a problem in understanding simple English or does your propaganda mind wants to twist everything.

The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

I know what "Appropriation" means. I just don't know what is it that you want to say about it as far as you wanting the RoC to give "land for peace as they do for profit". You talk in a very fragmented way, it is very difficult to string your thoughts to mean anything that we can understand. So Zan, why don't you take few minutes, and tell us what you mean by when you said "RoC should give land for peace as they do for profit" and explain Appropriation during war times.?? We are all waiting to be educated by you.

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......

Their is only one truth, then their is Zan's.!!

So smart guy, you think I'm just like Inspector Jacques Clouseau and not like Inspector Columbo. Well, in fact, they are more or less the same. They both get their cases solved and get the bad guys. So, so far you have failed to win any points there with the comparison of the two.

But lets dive into this a little bit closer. I in fact accept being compared to Clouseau. Lets face it, the guy is indestructible. No matter what anyone tries to do to him, he comes out of it. A little tattered clothes at times, but he is there to go after his "enemies". He never gives up. He gets to score with the ladies at times, which is always a nice feature as far as I'm concerned.

Now lets see who is in Clouseau's life. Well, we have "Cato" which Clouseau calls him "my little yellow friend" who always tries sneak attack on Clouseau. This person best suits VP personality. They spar with each other, wrecking the house, but Clouseau always finishes in triumph, and the two get back to being "normal" again, until the next sneak attack planned by "Cato". !!

You Zan play the part as the Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus, who is trying to destroy Clouseau's and his reputation, but always falling short, no matter what he tries. Just like the time when he was getting angry with Clouseau in his office and tries to shoot him with his gun, but turns out to be only a cigarette lighter, so only a small flame came out, which Clouseau lit his cigarette with. After Clouseau was dismissed, Dreyfus wanted to light a cigarette also, what he thought was the "toy gun", but he picked up his own gun by mistake, and almost shot his own head off. That very much describes you Zan. You are always shooting off your mouth.

But it does not end there for poor Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus (Zan). No, because in his haste to get Clouseau, he goes to extreme measures, but in the end, he just goes CRAZY and ends up in the "Nut House" and develops a twitching eye when ever he gets angry with Clouseau. He goes complete berzerk. Even when Clouseau tries to help him get out of the "Nut House", he does not accept his help. In the end, poor Drayfus (Zan) cannot be released from the "Nut House" because he does not have a sound mind, so instead, he escapes. So, the loony Dreyfus (Zan) is on the loose without a sound mind trying to get to Clouseau. But at the end, Clouseau is promoted as Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, and poor Dreyfus (Zan) ends up wondering the streets without a sound mind and going from one "Nut House" to another for the rest of his life.

So Zan, anymore Fictitious Characters you would like to compare me with.

And then is the Greek propagandist that ius about as tick as they come still quoting numbers out of the Greek propaganda books as if they mean something 40,000 went back to their homes wise guy.....40,000....You don't like it because it means that they felt safe enough to go and live close to the border and that does not fit in with your lies because you would like us to believe that Turkey is still a danger...You guys started off with a massive number missing and lied about those and you were exposed.....You then went on to telling us that 6,000 died in 1974 and Turkey killed them all and that turned out to be a load of old shite as well...... You have no shame have you Kikapoloustigolon... Now you keep going on about refugees that should not have been because hey wanted to sell their property and get on with their lives but the "RoC" threatened and told them lies so they could not sell up and kept them in refugee status to win political points and you have the cheek to back them up!! In Miltiades words...You plonker...... You funny guy Mrs Kikapoloustigolonos..........You turning out to be clown of Forum.....

[zan]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

Thanks GR. For the sake of Cyprus, these so-called 'rebels' need to start following the rules, because it's really not 'cool' anymore..

Do you think that the "RoC" should give back their right to veto in the EU then Natty?????