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[Kikapu]

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC, we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

VP,

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC,

I'm actually a Cypriot first, then a TC, just that we get things in the right order. It is this fact that drives you crazy. A True Turkish Cypriot's opinion of the wrong doings of his own community, is your worse nightmare VP. Why is that.?? You never tell me what I write is not true, only you complain that I'm to hard on ourselves and not on the GC's. Well, the truth is, but I'm not hard on the TC's at all and you will not find anything that says that, but on the Racist and Fascist Neo Partitionist and all the Morally Corrupted officials in the "TRNC" who are in the pockets of the Drug dealers, Human Traffickers, Whorehouse Operators, Gambling Establishments, Dealers in stolen GC Property Profiteers and so on. Do you support these people I've named above, because I do not, since they are an obstacle to a lasting peace.

But since you like to keep flogging a dead horse that I'm not a TC, when my TC signature is all over this forum from day one who wants the best for all Cypriots, I'll tell you what kind of a TC that I am NOT or supports any of the followings.

I'm not Racist, Unprincipled, Unethical, Morally Corrupted, Fascist, GC Hater, violator of others Human Rights, supporter of Undemocratic Institutions and Illegal states, Partition of my Country, Racist segregation of Cypriots, forced division, violation of International Laws, violation of United Nations resolutions, and any and all activities that are practiced to keep the island of Cyprus divided.

If the above are what TC's support and embrace, then I guess I'm not a TC, but just a Cypriot only. If that's the case, I can live with that. But in reality, that is not who TC's are and you always try to hide behind the TC's with your accusations of me. The list above represents only those who are Morally Corrupted and who are Neo Partitionist. True Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots at heart and not the ones you know in your own Morally Corrupted Circles.

we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future.

No one said the TC's should not have safeguards, just as safeguards are needed for the GC's and for Cyprus. There are no Community Rights. You can have minority rights if you wish, or just be an equal citizen with everyone else. If we are going to have community rights for ethnic groups in Cyprus, then lets give it to everyone, regardless of their size. Lets give everyone a Veto Power over everyone else. Will you agree to this, or is it only the TC's need veto power. I can't even trust you with a Confederacy under a "virgin birth" concept, because it will be too easy for the Neo Partitionist to declare Independence. What safeguards do I get from you for not doing that. I just forgot something. If the Neo Partitonist are given the above, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, Veto Power or no Veto Power, since you also want Turkey to have Intervention Rights, to help you get Independence. Why do I think you will do that, is because it's like playing Chess with you and Zan, and that I can see your moves few steps in advance. The fact that the Neo Partitionist do not want True Federation and True Democracy, leads me to believe is what the future plans would be. Had the 2004 AP passed, what I say would have already happened by now.......legally, because the4 >North would have been considered to be a "Turkish state" or as the Turkish General said the other day, that the "TRNC" "has sovereign rights". Imagine what he would be saying had the Disguised Partition Annan Plan passed in 2004. He would be saying along with the Neo Partitonist to the GC's, "see you suckers".

Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

I have been pushing for a just and fair solution for the TC's under a True Federation and True Democracy, perhaps the only TC here. Is that such a terrible suggestion.??

But to get to your silly games here for asking me to make a positive points to the TC's. As I said, I do not pick on the TC's but the Neo Partitonist and the "TRNC" officials in general, but nice try to once again try to hide behind the TC's for protection while you throw accusations. I have no respect for those who are too coward to fight their own battles in the open, but instead hide behind others.

I have answered you before, but let me do it one last time. This comes in two parts.

1. Do you want me to say something positive that includes Undemocratic, Racist or Human Rights violation have been committed on Cypriots in general.

2. Do you want me to say something positive, that does not include the above violations.

So VP, do you want me to answer Number 1 or Number 2 for you. You can only choose one.

As I remember, I had asked you to say something positive about the "TRNC" a while back with Number 1 used as the criteria, and after a week of thinking about it, your answer was "freedom of movement".

No, it was not on April 1st when you said that. Had it been, I would not have laughed so much.

[zan]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

The "RoC" appropriate land all the time to build airports and what ever they want on so why not build peace on some land????Simple enough for you???

[Kikapu]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

The "RoC" appropriate land all the time to build airports and what ever they want on so why not build peace on some land????Simple enough for you??? :roll:

NO.!!!

[zan]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

The "RoC" appropriate land all the time to build airports and what ever they want on so why not build peace on some land????Simple enough for you??? :roll:

NO.!!!

Tough!...You have been told how and what and it is perfectly reasonable for the sake of peace.....

[Kikapu]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

The "RoC" appropriate land all the time to build airports and what ever they want on so why not build peace on some land????Simple enough for you??? :roll:

NO.!!!

Tough!...You have been told how and what and it is perfectly reasonable for the sake of peace.....

Peace cannot come from stealing others land.

We can have peace on our own land, which is all over Cyprus.

The North is NOT Turkish Cypriot Land, EXCLUSIVLY.

You can go to your 56 Donums and others can return to theirs.

Now, is that simple enough for you.???

[Viewpoint]

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC, we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

VP,

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC,

I'm actually a Cypriot first, then a TC, just that we get things in the right order. It is this fact that drives you crazy. A True Turkish Cypriot's opinion of the wrong doings of his own community, is your worse nightmare VP. Why is that.?? You never tell me what I write is not true, only you complain that I'm to hard on ourselves and not on the GC's. Well, the truth is, but I'm not hard on the TC's at all and you will not find anything that says that, but on the Racist and Fascist Neo Partitionist and all the Morally Corrupted officials in the "TRNC" who are in the pockets of the Drug dealers, Human Traffickers, Whorehouse Operators, Gambling Establishments, Dealers in stolen GC Property Profiteers and so on. Do you support these people I've named above, because I do not, since they are an obstacle to a lasting peace.

But since you like to keep flogging a dead horse that I'm not a TC, when my TC signature is all over this forum from day one who wants the best for all Cypriots, I'll tell you what kind of a TC that I am NOT or supports any of the followings.

I'm not Racist, Unprincipled, Unethical, Morally Corrupted, Fascist, GC Hater, violator of others Human Rights, supporter of Undemocratic Institutions and Illegal states, Partition of my Country, Racist segregation of Cypriots, forced division, violation of International Laws, violation of United Nations resolutions, and any and all activities that are practiced to keep the island of Cyprus divided.

If the above are what TC's support and embrace, then I guess I'm not a TC, but just a Cypriot only. If that's the case, I can live with that. But in reality, that is not who TC's are and you always try to hide behind the TC's with your accusations of me. The list above represents only those who are Morally Corrupted and who are Neo Partitionist. True Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots at heart and not the ones you know in your own Morally Corrupted Circles.

we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future.

No one said the TC's should not have safeguards, just as safeguards are needed for the GC's and for Cyprus. There are no Community Rights. You can have minority rights if you wish, or just be an equal citizen with everyone else. If we are going to have community rights for ethnic groups in Cyprus, then lets give it to everyone, regardless of their size. Lets give everyone a Veto Power over everyone else. Will you agree to this, or is it only the TC's need veto power. I can't even trust you with a Confederacy under a "virgin birth" concept, because it will be too easy for the Neo Partitionist to declare Independence. What safeguards do I get from you for not doing that. I just forgot something. If the Neo Partitonist are given the above, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, Veto Power or no Veto Power, since you also want Turkey to have Intervention Rights, to help you get Independence. Why do I think you will do that, is because it's like playing Chess with you and Zan, and that I can see your moves few steps in advance. The fact that the Neo Partitionist do not want True Federation and True Democracy, leads me to believe is what the future plans would be. Had the 2004 AP passed, what I say would have already happened by now.......legally, because the4 >North would have been considered to be a "Turkish state" or as the Turkish General said the other day, that the "TRNC" "has sovereign rights". Imagine what he would be saying had the Disguised Partition Annan Plan passed in 2004. He would be saying along with the Neo Partitonist to the GC's, "see you suckers".

Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

I have been pushing for a just and fair solution for the TC's under a True Federation and True Democracy, perhaps the only TC here. Is that such a terrible suggestion.??

But to get to your silly games here for asking me to make a positive points to the TC's. As I said, I do not pick on the TC's but the Neo Partitonist and the "TRNC" officials in general, but nice try to once again try to hide behind the TC's for protection while you throw accusations. I have no respect for those who are too coward to fight their own battles in the open, but instead hide behind others.

I have answered you before, but let me do it one last time. This comes in two parts.

1. Do you want me to say something positive that includes Undemocratic, Racist or Human Rights violation have been committed on Cypriots in general.

2. Do you want me to say something positive, that does not include the above violations.

So VP, do you want me to answer Number 1 or Number 2 for you. You can only choose one.

As I remember, I had asked you to say something positive about the "TRNC" a while back with Number 1 used as the criteria, and after a week of thinking about it, your answer was "freedom of movement".

No, it was not on April 1st when you said that. Had it been, I would not have laughed so much.

You are doing it again a lot of verbal excess which really says bugger all and then you attempt to answer the real question but fail miserably. You obviously cannot back anything the TCs claim or put forward, you have no sympathy or understanding of our concerns and why we need safeguards and what they should be therefore your are unable to argue any of the TC viewpoints because you cannot and people know why.

[zan]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

The "RoC" appropriate land all the time to build airports and what ever they want on so why not build peace on some land????Simple enough for you??? :roll:

NO.!!!

Tough!...You have been told how and what and it is perfectly reasonable for the sake of peace.....

Peace cannot come from stealing others land.

We can have peace on our own land, which is all over Cyprus.

The North is NOT Turkish Cypriot Land, EXCLUSIVLY.

You can go to your 56 Donums and others can return to theirs.

Now, is that simple enough for you.???

So in other words you are not interested in what others want but only your own Greek wants. It is ok for the "RoC" to take land for profit but not for peace. Thios is why I haqve stopped trying to talk to you about anything constructive. That is not what you want but your own way. Not going to happen mate. We have rights too...

[Kikapu]

So in other words you are not interested in what others want but only your own Greek wants. It is ok for the "RoC" to take land for profit but not for peace. Thios is why I haqve stopped trying to talk to you about anything constructive. That is not what you want but your own way. Not going to happen mate. We have rights too...

If others wants to steal the homes of their fellow Cypriots, so that they don't have to move to their own property, then yes, that is not what I want. It is not to say, that the TC's can't stay in the same village or the same town that they are in now. They can sell their properties in the South and either buy or rent the GC property that they are occupying now, assuming that's what the GC owners wants, or else, the TC's can buy something else with the money they have gotten from the land sold in the South. No one is going to force the TC's to move to the South. It's a free country, they can live where ever they chose to live, just not in others property, if the GC' owner wants their property back. This is how you get peace, not by telling the GC owners, "sorry, I know this is your home, but it is mine now, because Zan's great hero Denktash said so.

RoC and "TRNC" have used up land for schools, hospitals, roads and other public projects. This would have happened even in peace times. The owners of those properties hardly have a voice in the matter. They are paid market price for the land and end of story, so I don't know what it is that you are talking about RoC taking land for profit, but not give land for peace is what I assume you meant. So it is clear in your mind finally, that the RoC means the whole island, and yes, the RoC should give some public land for TC's to build on in the North for peace, but not the whole Northern Cyprus and definitely not the homes and land that belongs to 200,000 GC's. Besides, those lands belongs to individuals and not the RoC to decide on peoples behalf to give their property to the TC's. It is not like in the North, where the TC's turned in their land deeds in the South to the "TRNC" in "exchange" for GC land in the North, so in essence, the "TRNC" is acting like a illegal land exchange dealer. They take good TC's deeds for their land in the South, and give out stolen GC properties to the TC's in the North. The "TRNC" has become an agent dealing in good TC deeds and stolen GC land laundering business. What a racket.

Of course the TC's have rights. Who ever claimed that they don't have any. What they don't have rights to, is deciding where the owners of the GC properties that they occupy, as to where the GC's should live, because they are now the "new owners", just because your hero Denktash said so. Of course Denktash is the biggest stolen GC land grabber himself, so naturally, he has tried very hard to set a bad example for the TC's to follow, and you, a Morally Corrupted person, want to keep this practice going, because you believe, it is good for peace. I hate to think what it would take for you to come up with, if you wanted war !!

As for you not wanting to talk to me, because you cant bare to hear the hard truth, then go and talk with brain dead duds like Big Al and Eric Dayi. I'm sure they will stimulate your brain for about....................5 seconds.

[zan]

So in other words you are not interested in what others want but only your own Greek wants. It is ok for the "RoC" to take land for profit but not for peace. Thios is why I haqve stopped trying to talk to you about anything constructive. That is not what you want but your own way. Not going to happen mate. We have rights too...

If others wants to steal the homes of their fellow Cypriots, so that they don't have to move to their own property, then yes, that is not what I want. It is not to say, that the TC's can't stay in the same village or the same town that they are in now. They can sell their properties in the South and either buy or rent the GC property that they are occupying now, assuming that's what the GC owners wants, or else, the TC's can buy something else with the money they have gotten from the land sold in the South. No one is going to force the TC's to move to the South. It's a free country, they can live where ever they chose to live, just not in others property, if the GC' owner wants their property back. This is how you get peace, not by telling the GC owners, "sorry, I know this is your home, but it is mine now, because Zan's great hero Denktash said so.

RoC and "TRNC" have used up land for schools, hospitals, roads and other public projects. This would have happened even in peace times. The owners of those properties hardly have a voice in the matter. They are paid market price for the land and end of story, so I don't know what it is that you are talking about RoC taking land for profit, but not give land for peace is what I assume you meant. So it is clear in your mind finally, that the RoC means the whole island, and yes, the RoC should give some public land for TC's to build on in the North for peace, but not the whole Northern Cyprus and definitely not the homes and land that belongs to 200,000 GC's. Besides, those lands belongs to individuals and not the RoC to decide on peoples behalf to give their property to the TC's. It is not like in the North, where the TC's turned in their land deeds in the South to the "TRNC" in "exchange" for GC land in the North, so in essence, the "TRNC" is acting like a illegal land exchange dealer. They take good TC's deeds for their land in the South, and give out stolen GC properties to the TC's in the North. The "TRNC" has become an agent dealing in good TC deeds and stolen GC land laundering business. What a racket.

Of course the TC's have rights. Who ever claimed that they don't have any. What they don't have rights to, is deciding where the owners of the GC properties that they occupy, as to where the GC's should live, because they are now the "new owners", just because your hero Denktash said so. Of course Denktash is the biggest stolen GC land grabber himself, so naturally, he has tried very hard to set a bad example for the TC's to follow, and you, a Morally Corrupted person, want to keep this practice going, because you believe, it is good for peace. I hate to think what it would take for you to come up with, if you wanted war !!

As for you not wanting to talk to me, because you cant bare to hear the hard truth, then go and talk with brain dead duds like Big Al and Eric Dayi. I'm sure they will stimulate your brain for about....................5 seconds.

First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....You have to get your nose out of the Greek propaganda books sonny. The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......Your truth is so one sided that I am amazed your part of the world has not become the new South Pole.
So to recap on your rubbish......The United Government has a right and or the separate governments have a right to appropriate land....END OF!!!!

[Kikapu]

First of all...THERE ARE NOT 200,000 REFUGEES or the way you want to make it seem...That many homes lost....

So, once again you do not want to count to children born to refugees after 1974 as being refugees. I counted TC's kids as refugees. Just to make you happy Zan, from now on, I will say "about or under" 200,000 GC refugees.
Happy now.............good.!!

I did not say 200,000 GC's homes were lost. I said, 200,000 GC's lost their homes. Do you have a problem in understanding simple English or does your propaganda mind wants to twist everything.

The second is that the land was appropriated in war and not in peace so that is another bit of bullshit you can swallow...Hellal Olsun! `Then I suggest you go and look up the word Appropriation so that all of this makes sense to you because in case you hadn't noticed it gives you no right of any claim and you get paid for the land which I have already said they should be. BREATH MAN BREATH!!!!!

I know what "Appropriation" means. I just don't know what is it that you want to say about it as far as you wanting the RoC to give "land for peace as they do for profit". You talk in a very fragmented way, it is very difficult to string your thoughts to mean anything that we can understand. So Zan, why don't you take few minutes, and tell us what you mean by when you said "RoC should give land for peace as they do for profit" and explain Appropriation during war times.?? We are all waiting to be educated by you.

The only thing that is hard about your truth Kik the Greek is your skull.....Columbo you are not but Clueso you are......

Their is only one truth, then their is Zan's.!!

So smart guy, you think I'm just like Inspector Jacques Clouseau and not like Inspector Columbo. Well, in fact, they are more or less the same. They both get their cases solved and get the bad guys. So, so far you have failed to win any points there with the comparison of the two.

But lets dive into this a little bit closer. I in fact accept being compared to Clouseau. Lets face it, the guy is indestructible. No matter what anyone tries to do to him, he comes out of it. A little tattered clothes at times, but he is there to go after his "enemies". He never gives up. He gets to score with the ladies at times, which is always a nice feature as far as I'm concerned.

Now lets see who is in Clouseau's life. Well, we have "Cato" which Clouseau calls him "my little yellow friend" who always tries sneak attack on Clouseau. This person best suits VP personality. They spar with each other, wrecking the house, but Clouseau always finishes in triumph, and the two get back to being "normal" again, until the next sneak attack planned by "Cato". !!

You Zan play the part as the Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus, who is trying to destroy Clouseau's and his reputation, but always falling short, no matter what he tries. Just like the time when he was getting angry with Clouseau in his office and tries to shoot him with his gun, but turns out to be only a cigarette lighter, so only a small flame came out, which Clouseau lit his cigarette with. After Clouseau was dismissed, Dreyfus wanted to light a cigarette also, what he thought was the "toy gun", but he picked up his own gun by mistake, and almost shot his own head off. That very much describes you Zan. You are always shooting off your mouth.

But it does not end there for poor Chief Inspector Charles LaRousse Dreyfus (Zan). No, because in his haste to get Clouseau, he goes to extreme measures, but in the end, he just goes CRAZY and ends up in the "Nut House" and develops a twitching eye when ever he gets angry with Clouseau. He goes complete berzerk. Even when Clouseau tries to help him get out of the "Nut House", he does not accept his help. In the end, poor Drayfus (Zan) cannot be released from the "Nut House" because he does not have a sound mind, so instead, he escapes. So, the loony Dreyfus (Zan) is on the loose without a sound mind trying to get to Clouseau. But at the end, Clouseau is promoted as Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, and poor Dreyfus (Zan) ends up wondering the streets without a sound mind and going from one "Nut House" to another for the rest of his life.

So Zan, anymore Fictitious Characters you would like to compare me with.