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[Natty]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

[Kikapu]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Natty,

You are absolutely right. This is what we are talking about, the difference between proportionate power where everyone can accept and live with it and disproportionate power where one has great advantage over the other. This is why the 1960 Constitution did not work, why the 2004 AP did not pass, and anything close to those two past disproportionate power proposals for the future, will also fail. It does not even look good on paper when such proposals are made, let alone making it work in practice. Sooner or later, resentment will build up, then you have problems. The problem is, some believe it is their inherit right to have more power than they deserve, and yet, at the same time they would want to deny the same amount of power to others who's ethnic groups are smaller than theirs. Not only they do not believe in Democracy, they also do not believe in giving others the same undemocratic advantages they see fit for themselves. It may have something to do with the mentality of the past and laws practised in Islamic countries in general. Some people are stuck in the 16th Century I'm afraid. Give them another century, and their views more than likely will not change too much still. It is called denying who they are, and what their place is in a modern society and modern times. They associate being a "numerical minority" as a decease rather than reality of fact. "Numerical minority" is what someone is born into and it is not a curse, and neither does it mean one has any less rights in the country they are born in. They are just as equal to anyone else. The only thing that keeps them inferior to the "numerical majority", is their 16th century mentality, where the minority had power and control over the majority.

[Kikapu]

Better luck next time VP.

Here is what "Unitedwestand" looks like. The avatar says it all.!!

what a plonker, as I say your mind makes things up and the funny part is you believe your own shit.

VP,

You are hardly in any position to accuse others of talking shit, and worse, believing in them. You and Pinocchio do it all the time, so accept what others say about you. If the shoe fits, then wear it.

To get back to what I've said about you and "unitedwestand". Don't you find it a little peculiar that after 3 weeks on the forum he has adopted all your ways of thinking.?? He is either really Brain Dead to do that and that he is unable to think for himself, or else you two are "in bed" together playing "footsies" and doing a lot of "pillow talks" while stroking each others "misinformed egos" or what ever it is that you two are stroking.!!! There's just too much here just to leave it for chance and coincidence. "Phoenix" was the dead give away for him to name as one of the "undesirables" to live with in Cyprus. A little slip up I would say. Regardless, I will give him a chance to redeem himself with couple of questions I have for him, when ever he decides to get back to me. His answers will no doubt match yours I suspect, that you have given before. Just one more piece of the puzzle that will fit in place, I expect..!!

[zan]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Whether the day to day power sharing is 30% or 18% does not really matter in my eyes bt the veto does and the guarantee from Turkey does also. The disproportionate power used against us by the numerical majority in 1963 was a misuse of power would you not say?

[Kikapu]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Whether the day to day power sharing is 30% or 18% does not really matter in my eyes bt the veto does and the guarantee from Turkey does also. The disproportionate power used against us by the numerical majority in 1963 was a misuse of power would you not say?

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

[zan]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…

…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Whether the day to day power sharing is 30% or 18% does not really matter in my eyes bt the veto does and the guarantee from Turkey does also. The disproportionate power used against us by the numerical majority in 1963 was a misuse of power would you not say?

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

[Kikapu]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

[Viewpoint]

Better luck next time VP.

Here is what "Unitedwestand" looks like. The avatar says it all.!!

what a plonker, as I say your mind makes things up and the funny part is you believe your own shit.

VP,

You are hardly in any position to accuse others of talking shit, and worse, believing in them. You and Pinocchio do it all the time, so accept what others say about you. If the shoe fits, then wear it.

To get back to what I've said about you and "unitedwestand". Don't you find it a little peculiar that after 3 weeks on the forum he has adopted all your ways of thinking.?? He is either really Brain Dead to do that and that he is unable to think for himself, or else you two are "in bed" together playing "footsies" and doing a lot of "pillow talks" while stroking each others "misinformed egos" or what ever it is that you two are stroking.!!! There's just too much here just to leave it for chance and coincidence. "Phoenix" was the dead give away for him to name as one of the "undesirables" to live with in Cyprus. A little slip up I would say. Regardless, I will give him a chance to redeem himself with couple of questions I have for him, when ever he decides to get back to me. His answers will no doubt match yours I suspect, that you have given before. Just one more piece of the puzzle that will fit in place, I expect..!!

Your dong it again you have an over imaginative and sometimes childish mindset, you can only counter argue something by trying to be sarcastic, ridicule or place sexual connotations on things which you make up and then believe like its the gospel truth. The fact is we are not the same person but share the same opinion about you is that so unusual, you are a GC when it comes to putting forward your case, you show absolutely no signs of being a TC as TCs with even the most hard line views put out sentences which reveals their ethnic back round and understand of TC suffer in line with GC suffering.

[Get Real!]

To put it simply, I believe that proportional power sharing does work. I believe that disproportional power sharing however does not. If you have proportional power sharing then one community does not gain on the loss of the other community, which in turn does not lead to feelings of bitterness and resentment which means that the risk of another inter-communal conflict (round two) would be almost non-existent…
…et viola a democratic and fair country for all, regardless of what 'community' you belong to!

Don't all Cypriots deserve that much?

Great post Natty! ...but unfortunately not everyone likes democracy because it forces them to behave...

[Viewpoint]

Sure, why bother with small percentages of power in a day to day, when a Veto Power equal to 100% control of any decision making. It is a bad idea and it will never work. The past should tell you something, or do you see any other reason as to why we are here today with the present political situation. As for allowing others to intervene, then I can guarantee you, Turkey will once again "intervene" if BBF Confederacy under "virgin birth" is passed and the North becomes sole TC owned and will want to become Independent in not too distant future. If the South resists, then Turkey will once again come to "save" the TC's.

I am glad that you are coming round to my way of thinking at last...You don't trust us ...We don't trust you.......Partition is the only way. Nice to have you on board skipper!!!!

And just who's land do you intend on Partitioning.?? If the co-owners do not want their share of the land to be given to you, what ever the percentages may be, then you cannot partition anything at all. Today's division is only because of "might makes right" and it is not acceptable to anyone, specially to the International Community who still regard the whole island as one country, which is called Republic of Cyprus, just incase you have forgotten. Within that country, living under True Democracy is what every citizen should be asking and not divisiveness and land grab..

You may own few donums of land personally, but since you cannot take it with you anywhere, it is land that still belongs to Cyprus and every Cypriot. If you can't partition your own few donums to make it your own country, than don't expect anything different from the North, specially since you don't even own most of the land in the North as an individual owner. You are only temporary custody of your land, just that, temporary.

Trust is not the issue. Greed and Hate is the issue. Those who do not want to be part of the Cypriot society are free to stay away, but the only thing that they should be able to take away with them is their Hate and not the land. On the other hand, if they can put their hate energy into more productive use to build a better Cyprus than from what was done in the past, than that is more preferable.

You do not own one inch of Cyprus as an absolute owner, therefore you are stuck with the rest of us I'm afraid. Make the best of it, or else, you'll end up with the worst of it, along with the rest of the Cypriots with further clashes in the future. Time to bring the people together. On the other hand, if you do not want to be a True Cypriot, then stay where you are and be unhappy. Most of do not want to share in your unhappiness.

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC, we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?