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[Nurgary]

"what would happen if all the TC's refugees living overseas came back to the South and demanded their land and property. i think there would be major issues and persecution of them"

Avoid unnecessary drama please. They are ciitizens of the RoC and are fully entiltled to their land and property in general. Quite a few have returned and succesfully reclaimed their property even if a GC refugee lived there. There are court decisions you can look up which resulted in the eviction of the GC resident.

There were neither major issues nor persecution of the returning TCs.

Nikitas,

Nurgary is a self admitted purchaser of stolen GC land in the "TRNC", therefore he is Morally Corrupted to say anything that does not favour in keeping his illegal gains, so expect him to be the "Melodramatic Queen" of all times with statements made as the one below.

The question regarding fear would be down to each refugee (From 63 to 75) who could say what would happen if all the TC's refugees living overseas came back to the South and demanded their land and property. i think there would be major issues and persecution of them.

Whatever.

But why not answer the question - Been looking at Cyprus Mail reports going back to 2004 and can only see a handful of TC getting the property back - after Court cases.

[Nurgary]

Statistics show that 5,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are living in a house owned by a Turkish Cypriot before 1974, while around 8,000 Greek Cypriots have built houses on Turkish Cypriot land.

[purdey]

Come on over Nurgary..I will take you to two villages Nr Troodos where the land and property has not been touched since the TC's left.
The villages concerned have strict rules in place where the land is free from encroachment, building, right of way. We are talking not small pockets but many hundreds of donums.
I am over in July and August you are more than welcome to visit.

[Get Real!]

The official figures are 142,000 GC as posted on official GC Government website.

You haven’t read carefully my intellectually challenged friend because these are THE ONLY bodies authorized in these matters...

“Subsequently, revised statistics on displaced persons in Cyprus complied as of Nov. 1, 1974 by the Government of Cyprus, UNFICYP, the UNHCR and ICRC, Indicate the total has been reduced slightly.”

Regarding GC refugee numbers Cyprus today had something to say about this...

…and certainly not a NOBODY you call “Cyprus Today” idiot!

[Piratis]

Statistics show that 5,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are living in a house owned by a Turkish Cypriot before 1974, while around 8,000 Greek Cypriots have built houses on Turkish Cypriot land.

So when the 18% of TCs grabbed the 36% of land, where did you expect those GCs to live? In tents?

It is as if I come to your house to steal your Lexus and I leave my Mazda there, and then come to accuse you that you keep my Mazda and demand from you to give it back to me without me giving you back your Lexus!

[Get Real!]

Statistics show that 5,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are living in a house owned by a Turkish Cypriot before 1974, while around 8,000 Greek Cypriots have built houses on Turkish Cypriot land.

You just don't get it do you?

ALWAYS POST LINKS TO PROVE ANY FIGURES YOU QUOTE

[Nurgary]

Come on over Nurgary..I will take you to two villages Nr Troodos where the land and property has not been touched since the TC's left.
The villages concerned have strict rules in place where the land is free from encroachment, building, right of way. We are talking not small pockets but many hundreds of donums.
I am over in July and August you are more than welcome to visit.

I accept some property and land has not been touched - that is not the issue.

The issue is it is not easy for TC's to claim their property back in the South. Some have managed to get it returned but many have not due to the 6 month residency requirement. Thus many court cases in Southern Courts as well as ECHR.

The GC's can claim in the TRNC as many have. Some have been allocated former TC property in the South - Some accepted compensation and in a few cases they got restitution.

The dream of everybody going back to 74 is just that. TC and GC land has been developed so the reality as it is today is what matters.

Do you really believe that both parties will live in total unity with any solution? I just can't see that happening. Suspect it will all go back to AP and land hand backs basically as listed.

2 zones 2 communities 1 central government.

[Kikapu]

"what would happen if all the TC's refugees living overseas came back to the South and demanded their land and property. i think there would be major issues and persecution of them"

Avoid unnecessary drama please. They are ciitizens of the RoC and are fully entiltled to their land and property in general. Quite a few have returned and succesfully reclaimed their property even if a GC refugee lived there. There are court decisions you can look up which resulted in the eviction of the GC resident.

There were neither major issues nor persecution of the returning TCs.

Nikitas,

Nurgary is a self admitted purchaser of stolen GC land in the "TRNC", therefore he is Morally Corrupted to say anything that does not favour in keeping his illegal gains, so expect him to be the "Melodramatic Queen" of all times with statements made as the one below.

The question regarding fear would be down to each refugee (From 63 to 75) who could say what would happen if all the TC's refugees living overseas came back to the South and demanded their land and property. i think there would be major issues and persecution of them.

Whatever.

But why not answer the question - Been looking at Cyprus Mail reports going back to 2004 and can only see a handful of TC getting the property back - after Court cases.

I'm glad you are not disputing that you are a Morally Corrupted Individual.

Lets take you for an example Nurgary. Lets say you have a house and land in the South which you have deeds for them and they legally belong to you. The reason why you need to spend 6 months in the South in order to claim your land, is because there are too many Morally Corrupted individuals, who would be sitting on a GC property in the North given to them illegally by the "TRNC" with fake land deeds to do what ever they want with it, in exchange for their property in the South, also illegally. In order to stop Double Dipping where if it was possible to just come and sell your property in the South just like that, then not only you are still holding onto the GC property in the North, but now you have sold your own property in the South. The GC's do not have that option in the North, so why should you in the South. The GC's in the South living in TC houses or land have not been issued fake deeds to do what ever they want with it. In your case, you are also breaking the laws of the RoC for purchasing and selling stolen GC property, so they would want to make sure, that you are not a criminal before your property is given back to you in the South. In your case, you will more than likely end up in jail for your illegal activities and you will have a cell mate who goes by the name Bubba.!!.

If on the other hand, a decent TC who likes to return back to their villages and to their own property, they will be accommodated and do what ever they wish to do with their property, as long as they are not holding onto any GC property in the North, or have had any illegal dealing with GC property. If they were in Cyprus in 1974, then they must live in the South for 6 months before the property is returned to them. If any TC's were out of Cyprus at the time of the 1974 events and have not been living in the North since, then they can return to the South and get their property back almost right away.

[Nurgary]

The official figures are 142,000 GC as posted on official GC Government website.

You haven’t read carefully my intellectually challenged friend because these are THE ONLY bodies authorized in these matters...

“Subsequently, revised statistics on displaced persons in Cyprus complied as of Nov. 1, 1974 by the Government of Cyprus, UNFICYP, the UNHCR and ICRC, Indicate the total has been reduced slightly.”

Regarding GC refugee numbers Cyprus today had something to say about this...

…and certainly not a NOBODY you call “Cyprus Today” idiot!

142,000 Official GC figure ROC Press and Information Office (PIO), The Cyprus Question, (Nicosia, 2003), p. 12.

Also listed on many GC official web site.

[Nurgary]

Statistics show that 5,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are living in a house owned by a Turkish Cypriot before 1974, while around 8,000 Greek Cypriots have built houses on Turkish Cypriot land.

You just don't get it do you?

ALWAYS POST LINKS TO PROVE ANY FIGURES YOU QUOTE

Now think CYPRUS MAIL would have got statistics right:

Turkish Cypriot sues government over army camp on his land
(archive article - Friday, August 18, 2006)

A TURKISH Cypriot landowner has filed a complaint to the European Court of Justice because he claims the Cyprus government is denying him access to his land currently occupied by a military camp.

This is the second such case to be taken up against the Cyprus government.
Mehmet Ali Birsen appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming the government had violated his right to return to his 20-donum land in the Larnaca district village of Kellia, demanding compensation because a National Guard army camp has been built on the land.

He also had three houses on the land, which are now being used by the National Guard.
According to the Chairman of the Turkish Cypriot Human Rights Organisation, Emine Erk, Birsen had gone through all the necessary channels to get an answer from the Cyprus government, but was simply told by government officials that the current deadlock in the Cyprus problem meant he could not get his land back or be compensated.
This is the second such case to be taken to the ECHR after Turkish Cypriot Erdo?an Durmu? filed a complaint that the Electricity Authority of Cyprus (EAC) had illegally built a power plant on his land in Mari.

According to Erk, more such cases are likely to be brought against the government.
“It is vital that the refugees from both sides of the island are treated equally and their interests are protected,” Erk said in an interview with Halkin Sesi.
According to government statistics, there are 413,177 donums of land in the south that belong to Turkish Cypriots.

Statistics show that 5,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are living in a house owned by a Turkish Cypriot before 1974, while around 8,000 Greek Cypriots have built houses on Turkish Cypriot land.

Around 3,500 Greek Cypriot refugees are also operating shops and stores that are owned by Turkish Cypriots.

A European Court ruling in favour of Birsen could have a major impact on the property saga on the island.

In a landmark court decision on February 13, Turkish Cypriot Arif Mustafa won the right to move into his old home after the government withdrew its appeal against a September 2004 Supreme Court ruling that gave him the right to return.
The case was a particularly sensitive because the Greek Cypriot refugee family living in Mustafa’s house had to be relocated.