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[zan]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

How about you let her do a little searching herself rather than your version of events ?

There's a RoC Ministry of Information leaflet that is titled 'Republic of Cyprus - From 1960 to the present Day' - in here it says the following in relation to Turkeys intervention in 1974 and the current division of the island..... and I quote .....

The Attilla line divides Cyprus since 1974. After four centuries of peaceful co-existence in mixed villages, towns and places of work, the two main communities - Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots - were forcibly seperated

So make up your own minds.

That is what he is afraid of so the brain washing has to start early.......

[Piratis]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

Yes and the GREEK OPPRESSORS WERE STOPPED IN THERE TRACKS!!!Shame there are people like Piratis that are still crying over that one......Missed chances for more oppression by the likes of Piratis...AHHHH!

What "Greek oppressors" are you talking about Zan? You are the ones who came to our island in order to enslave and exploit us. We are not the ones who invaded your lands in order to kill and oppress you.

Cypriots have been under foreign rule for centuries. And I ask you again: Was it fine when we were under the oppressive rule of Turks and British who occupied our island against the will of the great majority of Cypriots, but it is not OK to be part of a free Greek state just as the majority of the Cypriot people themselves wanted?

The only thing that Cypriots every asked for and fought for was freedom and self-determination. Any conflicts and wars with others happened because those others invaded our island with the intention to enslave, exploit us, and refuse to us our rights. We never went out of our island to harm anybody, and we never had any conflicts with those on our island that came here in peace and didn't try to impose their will on us by force (e.g. Armenians, Maronites etc)

[zan]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

Yes and the GREEK OPPRESSORS WERE STOPPED IN THERE TRACKS!!!Shame there are people like Piratis that are still crying over that one......Missed chances for more oppression by the likes of Piratis...AHHHH!

What "Greek oppressors" are you talking about Zan? You are the ones who came to our island in order to enslave and exploit us. We are not the ones who invaded your lands in order to kill and oppress you.

Cypriots have been under foreign rule for centuries. And I ask you again: Was it fine when we were under the oppressive rule of Turks and British who occupied our island against the will of the great majority of Cypriots, but it is not OK to be part of a free Greek state just as the majority of the Cypriot people themselves wanted?

The only thing that Cypriots every asked for and fought for was freedom and self-determination. Any conflicts and wars with others happened because those others invaded our island with the intention to enslave, exploit us, and refuse to us our rights. We never went out of our island to harm anybody, and we never had any conflicts with those on our island that came here in peace and didn't try to impose their will on us by force (e.g. Armenians, Maronites etc)

So it was just a coincidence that the Greek Speaking Cypriots got together with the Greeks and started killing and making life impossible for Turkish speaking Cypriots that did not want union with Greece HEHEHE!!!!!!You are so full of shit my friend.....Who needs friends like you when it is clear you need an ENEMA!!!

[Piratis]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

How about you let her do a little searching herself rather than your version of events ?

There's a RoC Ministry of Information leaflet that is titled 'Republic of Cyprus - From 1960 to the present Day' - in here it says the following in relation to Turkeys intervention in 1974 and the current division of the island..... and I quote .....

The Attilla line divides Cyprus since 1974. After four centuries of peaceful co-existence in mixed villages, towns and places of work, the two main communities - Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots - were forcibly seperated

So make up your own minds.

Yes, 74LB, it is true that the official policy of Republic of Cyprus is that of unification and reconciliation, and for the sake of reconciliation they do not want to say anything that might create negative feelings against TCs, since the aim is to live togehter in peace and to forget about the conflicts of the past.

If the leadership of your community also wanted unification and reconciliation they would do the same. But since their aim is partition they do the exact opposite: They exaggerate by a factor of 100, spicing it up with lots of lies, any harm caused to TCs, while they say nothing about the much more harm you have caused to us, trying to convince TCs that GCs are the "evils" that have to be punished.

So, if you wanted me to "make up my mind" the answer is simple: We have been brutally oppressed by Turks, almost non stop, from 1571 until today, and we lost 10s of thousands of people in your invasions and brutal rule against us. Still, for the sake of reconciliation and peace, we would be more than glad to forgive you and forget about the past, so we can finally, after all those years of conflicts, to have a democratic and free Cyprus, where the human rights of all Cypriots are respected without racist discriminations.

[zan]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

How about you let her do a little searching herself rather than your version of events ?

There's a RoC Ministry of Information leaflet that is titled 'Republic of Cyprus - From 1960 to the present Day' - in here it says the following in relation to Turkeys intervention in 1974 and the current division of the island..... and I quote .....

The Attilla line divides Cyprus since 1974. After four centuries of peaceful co-existence in mixed villages, towns and places of work, the two main communities - Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots - were forcibly seperated

So make up your own minds.

Yes, 74LB, it is true that the official policy of Republic of Cyprus is that of unification and reconciliation, and for the sake of reconciliation they do not want to say anything that might create negative feelings against TCs, since the aim is to live togehter in peace and to forget about the conflicts of the past.

If the leadership of your community also wanted unification and reconciliation they would do the same. But since their aim is partition they do the exact opposite: They exaggerate by a factor of 100, spicing it up with lots of lies, any harm caused to TCs, while they say nothing about the much more harm you have caused to us, trying to convince TCs that GCs are the "evils" that have to be punished.

So, if you wanted me to "make up my mind" the answer is simple: We have been brutally oppressed by Turks, almost non stop, from 1571 until today, and we lost 10s of thousands of people in your invasions and brutal rule against us. Still, for the sake of reconciliation and peace, we would be more than glad to forgive you and forget about the past, so we can finally, after all those years of conflicts, to have a democratic and free Cyprus, where the human rights of all Cypriots are respected without racist discriminations.

HEHEHE!!!!!!!!And the fact that you took our rights under the Zurich agreement and that the "RoC" is not the CYPRUS REPUBLIC........

[Piratis]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

Yes and the GREEK OPPRESSORS WERE STOPPED IN THERE TRACKS!!!Shame there are people like Piratis that are still crying over that one......Missed chances for more oppression by the likes of Piratis...AHHHH!

What "Greek oppressors" are you talking about Zan? You are the ones who came to our island in order to enslave and exploit us. We are not the ones who invaded your lands in order to kill and oppress you.

Cypriots have been under foreign rule for centuries. And I ask you again: Was it fine when we were under the oppressive rule of Turks and British who occupied our island against the will of the great majority of Cypriots, but it is not OK to be part of a free Greek state just as the majority of the Cypriot people themselves wanted?

The only thing that Cypriots every asked for and fought for was freedom and self-determination. Any conflicts and wars with others happened because those others invaded our island with the intention to enslave, exploit us, and refuse to us our rights. We never went out of our island to harm anybody, and we never had any conflicts with those on our island that came here in peace and didn't try to impose their will on us by force (e.g. Armenians, Maronites etc)

So it was just a coincidence that the Greek Speaking Cypriots got together with the Greeks and started killing and making life impossible for Turkish speaking Cypriots that did not want union with Greece HEHEHE!!!!!!You are so full of shit my friend.....Who needs friends like you when it is clear you need an ENEMA!!!

No my friend, you are full of shit. The Cypriots were fighting against the colonialists for their freedom and self determination. The one that had been previously denied to us by both the British and Turkish rulers. And I ask you again: Was it fine for Cyprus to be under the British or Turkish rule, but not fine to be part of the Greek state which is what the great majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

You are the ones who started killing Greek Cypriots and the inter-communal conflict when you formed TMT and started killing Greek Cypriots in 1958.



So get your facts straight.

Cypriots never went out from their island to harm anybody. It is others that invaded our island and wanted to impose their rule on us. All we ever wanted, and all we ever fought for, was our right for freedom and self-determination.

[74LB]

Yes Elizabeth, have a look at how the "evil" Cypriots wanted to liberate themselves from their foreign rulers and that gave the "right" to the Turks and British for once more to kill and oppress us.

Here is the first time the "evil" Cypriots dared to attempt the "crime" of freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently it is fine if Cyprus is part of the British or Ottoman empires, against the will of the Cypriot people, but somehow it is not OK to be part of a free Greek State just as the great majority Cypriots themselves wanted!

Cypriots have been oppressed by foreign rulers for centuries. The only thing that Cypriots asked is to be liberated from foreign oppression just like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories.

Thats the only thing we asked for and that is for what we revolted several times, the last one being in 1955, against the colonialists. We did not attack any TCs. On the contrary it is the TCs who attacked us in 1958, starting the inter-communal conflict, because it was promised to them by Turkey and Britain that if they helped them to oppress our revolution that they would grand to them huge gains on our loss.

How about you let her do a little searching herself rather than your version of events ?

There's a RoC Ministry of Information leaflet that is titled 'Republic of Cyprus - From 1960 to the present Day' - in here it says the following in relation to Turkeys intervention in 1974 and the current division of the island..... and I quote .....

The Attilla line divides Cyprus since 1974. After four centuries of peaceful co-existence in mixed villages, towns and places of work, the two main communities - Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots - were forcibly seperated

So make up your own minds.

Yes, 74LB, it is true that the official policy of Republic of Cyprus is that of unification and reconciliation, and for the sake of reconciliation they do not want to say anything that might create negative feelings against TCs, since the aim is to live togehter in peace and to forget about the conflicts of the past.

If the leadership of your community also wanted unification and reconciliation they would do the same. But since their aim is partition they do the exact opposite: They exaggerate by a factor of 100, spicing it up with lots of lies, any harm caused to TCs, while they say nothing about the much more harm you have caused to us, trying to convince TCs that GCs are the "evils" that have to be punished.

So, if you wanted me to "make up my mind" the answer is simple: We have been brutally oppressed by Turks, almost non stop, from 1571 until today, and we lost 10s of thousands of people in your invasions and brutal rule against us. Still, for the sake of reconciliation and peace, we would be more than glad to forgive you and forget about the past, so we can finally, after all those years of conflicts, to have a democratic and free Cyprus, where the human rights of all Cypriots are respected without racist discriminations.

But it still says

four centuries of peaceful co-existence in mixed villages, towns and places of work

- but you say you were oppressed from 1571 to today, in which case you want us to believe you are correct and the RoC MOI print information so as not to displease the TC's. Sorry, but I just don't think so.

I do however fully agree with you when you say :

for the sake of reconciliation and peace, we would be more than glad to forgive you and forget about the past, so we can finally, after all those years of conflicts, to have a democratic and free Cyprus, where the human rights of all Cypriots are respected without racist discriminations.

I sincerely hope that the rounds of negotiations that are planned by the RoC & the TRNC bring this sorry episode to an end.

[denizaksulu]

Elisabeth, 1963-1974 is a DIRECT consequence of 1954.

Shall we begin with Adam and Eve?

[denizaksulu]

Elisabeth, do you know what happened in Cyprus between the years 1963 - 1974?

What happened Deniz? Can you tell us?

I know and you know Kifeas, what happened. Just dont be so selective.

According to you, the Cyprob began in 1974 and you perfectly know that is not true.

The coup's aim was Enosis. Begin with the first call for Enosis. Shall we say 1878 0r 1821, when you lot got excited about the Greek War of Independence or as the Ottomas would call it the Greek Rebellion?

[Elisabeth Marie]

now that someone told me who Tpap was
i found out in googling that he was pretty old when he became president - why did they go for a old person and not someone young?