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Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

The GC's know about these direct flights from UK and Germany as they complain everytime there is one - but as normal they are ignored.

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Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

You have churned out another one of your stories but missed the point altogether yet again, all the passengers wanted to go to Ercan.

Use your righteousness to stop these flights if they are so illegal and into an illegal port, enforce what you preach seeing you have the law on your side it shoudnt be difficult.

[Kikapu]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

The GC's know about these direct flights from UK and Germany as they complain everytime there is one - but as normal they are ignored.

I'm not talking about the GC's complaints. I'm talking about the insurance companies refusing to pay, when they will see deliberate attempt to fly an aircraft that is not insured according to flight plan when it leaves the UK or Germany. I do not need to tell you, that insurance companies will love to find any wrong doings concerning their insurance policies so that they can refuse to pay anything. If the flight is only insured to fly to Istanbul from the UK, then why should they pay for an aircraft that was not insured from Istanbul to Ercan. I'm sure there are some shenanigans are arranged to make the flight insured over Turkey by another insurance company in Turkey, but it will blow the whole thing wide open when the Westerners will be denied appropriate compensation for their lost ones. This is not the way to get around the law. Land the damn plane and leave again half an hour later. Or better still, do a "Touch and Go" on the same runway. It only takes few minutes longer than "Midnight Express".

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Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

The GC's know about these direct flights from UK and Germany as they complain everytime there is one - but as normal they are ignored.

I'm not talking about the GC's complaints. I'm talking about the insurance companies refusing to pay, when they will see deliberate attempt to fly an aircraft that is not insured according to flight plan when it leaves the UK or Germany. I do not need to tell you, that insurance companies will love to find any wrong doings concerning their insurance policies so that they can refuse to pay anything. If the flight is only insured to fly to Istanbul from the UK, then why should they pay for an aircraft that was not insured from Istanbul to Ercan. I'm sure there are some shenanigans are arranged to make the flight insured over Turkey by another insurance company in Turkey, but it will blow the whole thing wide open when the Westerners will be denied appropriate compensation for their lost ones. This is not the way to get around the law. Land the damn plane and leave again half an hour later. Or better still, do a "Touch and Go" on the same runway. It only takes few minutes longer than "Midnight Express".

The insurance from Turkey to the TRNC is covered by Turkish insurers, if anything shoudl happened to a flight in Turkish airspace the insurance cover is local which covers our airlines Cyprus Turkish Airlines.

[Kikapu]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

You have churned out another one of your stories but missed the point altogether yet again, all the passengers wanted to go to Ercan.

Use your righteousness to stop these flights if they are so illegal and into an illegal port, enforce what you preach seeing you have the law on your side it shoudnt be difficult.

Well of course they want to go to Ercan, but the flight plan is to Istanbul. I'm sure many Istanbul passengers are bumped off the flight through out the year and put onto other flights if there are only few of them at each time. This is kind of an "underground" operation. The flight is destined to fly to Istanbul, but nobody is going to Istanbul, so that the "Midnight Express" can go straight to Ercan. Illegal activities has a way of getting you burnt. It is a matter of time. Lets hope we will never have to find out with a crash. You better pray twice as hard from Istanbul to Ercan while in the air that nothing will go wrong.

It has nothing to do with righteousness VP. It has to do with legalities. I know that may not be in your vocabulary, but they are as far as the insurance companies are concerned. They will sell their mothers if it means not having to pay anything.

[Viewpoint]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

You have churned out another one of your stories but missed the point altogether yet again, all the passengers wanted to go to Ercan.

Use your righteousness to stop these flights if they are so illegal and into an illegal port, enforce what you preach seeing you have the law on your side it shoudnt be difficult.

Well of course they want to go to Ercan, but the flight plan is to Istanbul. I'm sure many Istanbul passengers are bumped off the flight through out the year and put onto other flights if there are only few of them at each time. This is kind of an "underground" operation. The flight is destined to fly to Istanbul, but nobody is going to Istanbul, so that the "Midnight Express" can go straight to Ercan. Illegal activities has a way of getting you burnt. It is a matter of time. Lets hope we will never have to find out with a crash. You better pray twice as hard from Istanbul to Ercan while in the air that nothing will go wrong.

It has nothing to do with righteousness VP. It has to do with legalities. I know that may not be in your vocabulary, but they are as far as the insurance companies are concerned. They will sell their mothers if it means not having to pay anything.

I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

[Kikapu]

I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

Following your logic, as long as you can get away with illegal acts, then it is not a crime. !!!

Is that what you teach your children VP.???

So, if your son becomes "Jack the Ripper" of the "TRNC", he has done nothing wrong, until he is caught.!!

He is only 9 years old VP, so you still have time to set him straight so not to follow your thoughts of logic (contradiction in terms...I know).

If it's already too late to set him straight VP, then I hope he becomes a Bank Robber, so that way he gets rich with others money.

Kind of what goes on now actually.!!

That's not illegal either, is it VP.??

I did not think so.!!

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I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

Following your logic, as long as you can get away with illegal acts, then it is not a crime. !!!

Is that what you teach your children VP.???

So, if your son becomes "Jack the Ripper" of the "TRNC", he has done nothing wrong, until he is caught.!!

He is only 9 years old VP, so you still have time to set him straight so not to follow your thoughts of logic (contradiction in terms...I know).

If it's already too late to set him straight VP, then I hope he becomes a Bank Robber, so that way he gets rich with others money.

Kind of what goes on now actually.!!

That's not illegal either, is it VP.??

I did not think so.!!

If there is no enforceable punishment then the crime will no longer be a crime. If you kill someone and no one can do anything to punish you eg lock you away or hang you then the crime is not deemed a crime as the perpetrator goes scot free. You can write down its a crime but if theres no penalty then people will not stop doing it. I teach my children right and wrong and they know they will be punished if they do wrong but fly into the TRNC is not punishable so we will all continue to do so as long as you cannot enforce punishment or stop us from doing so.

[Murataga]

I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

Following your logic, as long as you can get away with illegal acts, then it is not a crime. !!!

Is that what you teach your children VP.???

So, if your son becomes "Jack the Ripper" of the "TRNC", he has done nothing wrong, until he is caught.!!

He is only 9 years old VP, so you still have time to set him straight so not to follow your thoughts of logic (contradiction in terms...I know).

If it's already too late to set him straight VP, then I hope he becomes a Bank Robber, so that way he gets rich with others money.

Kind of what goes on now actually.!!

That's not illegal either, is it VP.??

I did not think so.!!

If there is no enforceable punishment then the crime will no longer be a crime. If you kill someone and no one can do anything to punish you eg lock you away or hang you then the crime is not deemed a crime as the perpetrator goes scot free. You can write down its a crime but if theres no penalty then people will not stop doing it. I teach my children right and wrong and they know they will be punished if they do wrong but fly into the TRNC is not punishable so we will all continue to do so as long as you cannot enforce punishment or stop us from doing so.

VP - Make no mistake about it: To live in the TRNC and being a TC are "punishable" and we are being punished just for that since 1963. This punishment includes but certainly is not limited to our economic, cultural, political and representation ambargo. Not being able to fly to Ercan from London is just one of the "perks" that come with the package.

Killing someone and walking around freely because there is no law to punish you is a completely different situation than traveling home and walking around freely despite violating what is dictated by the political interests of foreigners and/or the ones responsible for our devastation during the past 45 years.

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If there is no enforceable punishment then the crime will no longer be a crime. If you kill someone and no one can do anything to punish you eg lock you away or hang you then the crime is not deemed a crime as the perpetrator goes scot free. You can write down its a crime but if theres no penalty then people will not stop doing it. I teach my children right and wrong and they know they will be punished if they do wrong but fly into the TRNC is not punishable so we will all continue to do so as long as you cannot enforce punishment or stop us from doing so.

It's funny how Kikapu always manages to bring out the criminal in you…