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[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

And all those flights are breaking international (ICAO) aviation laws. They are not permitted to enter NICOSIA FIR, without permission from NICOSIA Air Traffic Control.

[Elisabeth Marie]

I was born well after 1974 - and am not Greek Turkish or Cypriot

Most of the land owners that became refugees would have been in their 40s 50s or 60s in 1974 so now would be either very elderly or dead right?

So my question is - is it mostly the children and grandchildren at this point that are in the media rather than the original 1974 refugee land owners?

[Kifeas]

I was born well after 1974 - and am not Greek Turkish or Cypriot

Most of the land owners that became refugees would have been in their 40s 50s or 60s in 1974 so now would be either very elderly or dead right?

So my question is - is it mostly the children and grandchildren at this point that are in the media rather than the original 1974 refugee land owners?

Marie, may I ask what is the significance of your above question? Why do you want to highlight this issue, since it is very easy for you to know or figure out the answer to your question? Why don't you say what you want to say, in a direct manner, so that you let us figure out the color of your shield?

[Elisabeth Marie]

I have no shield - as i said i was born a lot after 1974 and am not Greek or Turkish or Cypriot

I just saw this in a talk about Cuba and wondered if i was the same with Cyprus:

"most of the original owners have died off but they've done a crackerjack job of transmitting the grievances to the second and third generation"

[tessintrnc]

I have no shield - as i said i was born a lot after 1974 and am not Greek or Turkish or Cypriot

I just saw this in a talk about Cuba and wondered if i was the same with Cyprus:

"most of the original owners have died off but they've done a crackerjack job of transmitting the grievances to the second and third generation"

I think it would be very difficult indeed NOT to transmit a grievance as large as loss of home and land !!!!! Wouldn't you be upset if your Mum and Dad lost everything? I think, (please don't take offence) that you are being very naive.................

Tess

[kurupetos]

I have no shield - as i said i was born a lot after 1974 and am not Greek or Turkish or Cypriot

I just saw this in a talk about Cuba and wondered if i was the same with Cyprus:

"most of the original owners have died off but they've done a crackerjack job of transmitting the grievances to the second and third generation"

What does Cuba has to do with Cyprus? The land in the northern Cyprus has belonged to GC for hundreds of generations. The turkish invasion of 1974 illegally ethnically cleansed them from the land. Would you forget about your history if you were a GC?

[shahmaran]

What part of bringing down your illegal fascist and racist coup leader is illegal?

Never mind all the slaughtered civilians...

[Kikapu]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

[Viewpoint]

And finally, so that I may lay this subject to rest, here is an official biefing as to the legalities of ERCAN.

http://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/fra99-a.pdf

Read it and weep.

ERCAN is an illegal port and there is nothing anyone can do about this.

CASE CLOSED

So? will that change anything* will it stop our planes flying in every day? why dont you try stopping these flights with the bits of paper you have collected that dubs Ercan illegal, then you woudl have made oyur point otherwise flights continue as normal, CASE CLOSED.

[Viewpoint]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

And all those flights are breaking international (ICAO) aviation laws. They are not permitted to enter NICOSIA FIR, without permission from NICOSIA Air Traffic Control.

Yet they do every day, the north does not give a shit about your Nicosia FIR, flights will continue to stick the middle finger up at you everytime they land, how does that feel? if you have the leglalites on your side use them to stop flights lets see it, all talk no action.