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[74LB]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

[Paphitis]

You must have a corrupted version of Adobe Acrobat Paphitis, it works just fine, but unfortunately i cant copy and paste anything, specially not these huge maps, but if its really important then i suggest you reinstall Adobe Acrobat

Fixed my Adobe. I had to re-install the program.

I had a look at those maps, which show Pafos, Larnaca and Tymbou. They are not official maps. We do not use maps such as this. The map only indicates major airports with their ICAO codes and gives distances between these ports.

[Oracle]

Well that just about sums Ercan up then.

They don't need official maps .... they can just ask someone for navigational information as they go along

Here, this might help:

http://www.gaservingamerica.org/how_wor ... gation.htm

[Piratis]

Every country designates which are her own international airports, and planes from other states are obligated to use only those (except if there is a case of emergency landing or something like that)

Other countries have perfect airports which they use for domestic flights only, and planes coming from abroad are not allowed to use them.

So, the Republic of Cyprus, the one and only state in Cyprus, has designated Larnaca and Paphos as the international airports of this island. End of story.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

[BC Numismatics]

Every country designates which are her own international airports, and planes from other states are obligated to use only those (except if there is a case of emergency landing or something like that)

Other countries have perfect airports which they use for domestic flights only, and planes coming from abroad are not allowed to use them.

So, the Republic of Cyprus, the one and only state in Cyprus, has designated Larnaca and Paphos as the international airports of this island. End of story.

Piratis,sometimes a domestic airport can be used in an emergency by a plane coming into a country.Other than that,international flights are not usually allowed to land there.

Aidan.

[Viewpoint]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

[Oracle]

Every country designates which are her own international airports, and planes from other states are obligated to use only those (except if there is a case of emergency landing or something like that)

Other countries have perfect airports which they use for domestic flights only, and planes coming from abroad are not allowed to use them.

So, the Republic of Cyprus, the one and only state in Cyprus, has designated Larnaca and Paphos as the international airports of this island. End of story.

Piratis,sometimes a domestic airport can be used in an emergency by a plane coming into a country.Other than that,international flights are not usually allowed to land there.

Aidan.

Aidan .... You cannot find fault with Piratis' eye for detail and precision!

He had already provided that piece of information .....

[Paphitis]

And finally, so that I may lay this subject to rest, here is an official biefing as to the legalities of ERCAN.

http://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/fra99-a.pdf

Read it and weep.

ERCAN is an illegal port and there is nothing anyone can do about this.

CASE CLOSED

[Paphitis]

And here is a snippet.

Most of the northern part of Nicosia FIR/UIR, inclusive of a wide area of the high seas, has been
identified by Ercan Control, a station based in northern Cyprus, falling under Turkish Cypriot
administration, as a zone under its control. The authority of Ercan Control over this zone for Air
Traffic Control purposes is NOT recognized by ICAO.
Contrary to ICAO requirements, no contact is effected between Ankara and Nicosia ACCs. Nicosia
ACC requires that aircraft approaching Nicosia FIR/UIR from Ankara FIR make pre-entry contact
at least 10 minutes before the FIR boundary. It is essential that crews comply with this
requirement: only then will Nicosia ACC be in a position to assume control and provide
appropriate traffic separation.

Source: Jeppesen Briefing 2008