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[Get Real!]

You don't know what they have at Ercan -

I know very well what is there... my family's occupied house and land is about 1km from what use to be a 100m strip of eroding tarmac abandoned by the British, and surrounded by a couple of pig sties.

And THAT gives you all the information you need on Ercan airport and avionics?

Interesting, is it the family home or the pigs?

My orange producing friend, if there's ever a war I'll be right at the front of those attacking the airport... call it what you want to, I call it personal!

...and btw, I'd better FIND a house there!

Yeah sure you would

There had BETTER BE or I'm gonna come to Lefka and make you EAT all the oranges!

[shahmaran]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

[Nurgary]

Paphitis,
You seem to be a little obsessed with Ercan Airport and its status. There is no doubt that once a solution to the Cyprob is found, Ercan will remain in some capacity.

You can quote all the acronyms you like, be it ICAO, FAA, FIR, NOTAM, IMC, MSA, RPT, IFR, NDB, VOR, ILS and whatever else, but the fact remains that thousands of people currently fly in and out each month.

If as you say it needs to improve in certain aspects then improve it will.
But to say

.......there will be no direct flights ever

is stretching it a little imo.

In another thread on this forum, you even denied that baggage at International airports destined for the TRNC was labelled up with ECN labels.
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Whilst you are certainly knowledgeable in the aviation field, stop worrying yourself so much about Ercan. You never know, you may even land there yourself one day

I would like to see one of these baggage labels issued by any authority other than Turkish airports.
And, I am still waiting for all those Terminal charts, and approach plates. Someone must know a pilot somewhere that can provide them. Please post them on this forum.

You are joking about the above. Seriously, you are joking
(apologies for using a little of Oracles colouring )

No I am not joking. I have stated previously that I do not believe that anyone can issue these tags due to non recognition of ERCAN. I am not insisting that I am correct, I just wish to see one as I have my serious doubts.

I'll see if I can take a picture of these ECN tags at Stansted next week for you when I fly to Ercan.

Alternatively, you must have connections so why not ask BAA to see if they can convince you that ECN baggage tags exist and are placed on items destined for the TRNC.

Thanks for that. I look forward to the pictures.

I do not work for BAA, but I will see what I can find out. Also BAA do not fly to ERCAN (as no one does), but as for issueing the tags, I am not sure if this is possible unless there are other connecting flights with Turkish Airlines to ERCAN.

BAA would not fly in as all they are is an airport operator. But they issue Ercan tags and even show Ercan on the landing and departure screens. Stansted / Glasgow / Heathrow / Gatwick flights to Ercan are not restricted. Manchester and Birmingham are not BAA but they also do the same.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,
You seem to be a little obsessed with Ercan Airport and its status. There is no doubt that once a solution to the Cyprob is found, Ercan will remain in some capacity.

You can quote all the acronyms you like, be it ICAO, FAA, FIR, NOTAM, IMC, MSA, RPT, IFR, NDB, VOR, ILS and whatever else, but the fact remains that thousands of people currently fly in and out each month.

If as you say it needs to improve in certain aspects then improve it will.
But to say

.......there will be no direct flights ever

is stretching it a little imo.

In another thread on this forum, you even denied that baggage at International airports destined for the TRNC was labelled up with ECN labels.
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Whilst you are certainly knowledgeable in the aviation field, stop worrying yourself so much about Ercan. You never know, you may even land there yourself one day

I would like to see one of these baggage labels issued by any authority other than Turkish airports.
And, I am still waiting for all those Terminal charts, and approach plates. Someone must know a pilot somewhere that can provide them. Please post them on this forum.

You are joking about the above. Seriously, you are joking
(apologies for using a little of Oracles colouring )

No I am not joking. I have stated previously that I do not believe that anyone can issue these tags due to non recognition of ERCAN. I am not insisting that I am correct, I just wish to see one as I have my serious doubts.

I'll see if I can take a picture of these ECN tags at Stansted next week for you when I fly to Ercan.

Alternatively, you must have connections so why not ask BAA to see if they can convince you that ECN baggage tags exist and are placed on items destined for the TRNC.

Thanks for that. I look forward to the pictures.

I do not work for BAA, but I will see what I can find out. Also BAA do not fly to ERCAN (as no one does), but as for issueing the tags, I am not sure if this is possible unless there are other connecting flights with Turkish Airlines to ERCAN.

BAA would not fly in as all they are is an airport operator. But they issue Ercan tags and even show Ercan on the landing and departure screens. Stansted / Glasgow / Heathrow / Gatwick flights to Ercan are not restricted. Manchester and Birmingham are not BAA but they also do the same.

I thought you meant British Airways!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

ICAO can not recognise ERCAN as there is only one legal and recognised authority on the island. This authority is The Civil Aviation Department of RoC.

The issueing of an ICAO or IATA code has nothing to do with recognition.

In order to have a fully functioning airport, you must have a regulatory authority governing the airport. There is no recognised regulatory authority in the "TRNC" And the RoC has listed it as an illegal port of entry.

So, ERCAN is unrecognised and always will be. Do not disappoint your selves by holding on to unachievable dreams because those dreams will not come to fruition.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

[observer]

I'd just like to make a couple of comments.

ECN baggage tags are most certainly issued at British Airports, as any TC or tourist who has flown into Ercan could tell you.

A number of GCs could also tell you this, as you occasionally see GC plated cars at Ercan's car park. I assume that they are taking holidays in Turkey, so perhaps you wouldn't count a ECN baggage tag issued in Turkey.

Ercan Airport is built on GC land. I believe Paphos Airport and parts of Larnaca Airport are built on TC land. It's much easier for both governments to take land from absent owners and it's unlikely that either airport will ever be torn up because 'it was built without the owner's permission'.

Finally, it's unwise ever to say 'never' about things that are primarily political. For me, personally, the fewer planes that use Ercan the better, but if current talks break down I would not like to bet on isolation remaining isolation. For all its waving of past-their-sell-by-date resolutions, RoC is a minute speck on the world map, where even Christofias is a nonentity.

[shahmaran]

You must have a corrupted version of Adobe Acrobat Paphitis, it works just fine, but unfortunately i cant copy and paste anything, specially not these huge maps, but if its really important then i suggest you reinstall Adobe Acrobat

[Nurgary]

Paphitis,
You seem to be a little obsessed with Ercan Airport and its status. There is no doubt that once a solution to the Cyprob is found, Ercan will remain in some capacity.

You can quote all the acronyms you like, be it ICAO, FAA, FIR, NOTAM, IMC, MSA, RPT, IFR, NDB, VOR, ILS and whatever else, but the fact remains that thousands of people currently fly in and out each month.

If as you say it needs to improve in certain aspects then improve it will.
But to say

.......there will be no direct flights ever

is stretching it a little imo.

In another thread on this forum, you even denied that baggage at International airports destined for the TRNC was labelled up with ECN labels.
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Whilst you are certainly knowledgeable in the aviation field, stop worrying yourself so much about Ercan. You never know, you may even land there yourself one day

I would like to see one of these baggage labels issued by any authority other than Turkish airports.
And, I am still waiting for all those Terminal charts, and approach plates. Someone must know a pilot somewhere that can provide them. Please post them on this forum.

You are joking about the above. Seriously, you are joking
(apologies for using a little of Oracles colouring )

No I am not joking. I have stated previously that I do not believe that anyone can issue these tags due to non recognition of ERCAN. I am not insisting that I am correct, I just wish to see one as I have my serious doubts.

I'll see if I can take a picture of these ECN tags at Stansted next week for you when I fly to Ercan.

Alternatively, you must have connections so why not ask BAA to see if they can convince you that ECN baggage tags exist and are placed on items destined for the TRNC.

Thanks for that. I look forward to the pictures.

I do not work for BAA, but I will see what I can find out. Also BAA do not fly to ERCAN (as no one does), but as for issueing the tags, I am not sure if this is possible unless there are other connecting flights with Turkish Airlines to ERCAN.

BAA would not fly in as all they are is an airport operator. But they issue Ercan tags and even show Ercan on the landing and departure screens. Stansted / Glasgow / Heathrow / Gatwick flights to Ercan are not restricted. Manchester and Birmingham are not BAA but they also do the same.

I thought you meant British Airways!

BAA is not an airline it's British Airport Authority and they have 7 airports in the UK. 3 main London ones - Southampton and 3 in Scotland.

[74LB]

Paphitis,
You seem to be a little obsessed with Ercan Airport and its status. There is no doubt that once a solution to the Cyprob is found, Ercan will remain in some capacity.

You can quote all the acronyms you like, be it ICAO, FAA, FIR, NOTAM, IMC, MSA, RPT, IFR, NDB, VOR, ILS and whatever else, but the fact remains that thousands of people currently fly in and out each month.

If as you say it needs to improve in certain aspects then improve it will.
But to say

.......there will be no direct flights ever

is stretching it a little imo.

In another thread on this forum, you even denied that baggage at International airports destined for the TRNC was labelled up with ECN labels.
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Whilst you are certainly knowledgeable in the aviation field, stop worrying yourself so much about Ercan. You never know, you may even land there yourself one day

I would like to see one of these baggage labels issued by any authority other than Turkish airports.
And, I am still waiting for all those Terminal charts, and approach plates. Someone must know a pilot somewhere that can provide them. Please post them on this forum.

You are joking about the above. Seriously, you are joking
(apologies for using a little of Oracles colouring )

No I am not joking. I have stated previously that I do not believe that anyone can issue these tags due to non recognition of ERCAN. I am not insisting that I am correct, I just wish to see one as I have my serious doubts.

I'll see if I can take a picture of these ECN tags at Stansted next week for you when I fly to Ercan.

Alternatively, you must have connections so why not ask BAA to see if they can convince you that ECN baggage tags exist and are placed on items destined for the TRNC.

Thanks for that. I look forward to the pictures.

I do not work for BAA, but I will see what I can find out. Also BAA do not fly to ERCAN (as no one does), but as for issueing the tags, I am not sure if this is possible unless there are other connecting flights with Turkish Airlines to ERCAN.

BAA would not fly in as all they are is an airport operator. But they issue Ercan tags and even show Ercan on the landing and departure screens. Stansted / Glasgow / Heathrow / Gatwick flights to Ercan are not restricted. Manchester and Birmingham are not BAA but they also do the same.

I thought you meant British Airways!

BAA is not an airline it's British Airport Authority and they have 7 airports in the UK. 3 main London ones - Southampton and 3 in Scotland.

Thanks for explaining that for me.