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[Paphitis]

Who knows what Ercan has - but I in 8 years have never heard of a plane being diverted. And there are about 12 landings per day.

And you think that everytime a plane diverts that they would inform you?

[Paphitis]

Who knows what Ercan has - but I in 8 years have never heard of a plane being diverted. And there are about 12 landings per day.

And only 12 landings a day. On average 1 landing per 2 hours.

In Australia, we have more movements than that at country aerodromes which are not controlled. Also, these movements are from Turkish airlines only. No other international operator operates to ERCAN because it is illegal and the aviation authorities of all countries will not allow it.

Face it, the aviation industry is highly regulated and as a result will never allow direct flights. I am sorry for shattering your fantasy land dreams.

[halil]

Condition of the Ercan is only politicaly. Airport is donated with all the security equipment.


Charter flights may soon be landing in the north
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Friday, May 21, 2004)

CHARTER flights may start landing at the north’s Tymbou (Ercan) airport in the near future, according to claims made on Wednesday by the Turkish Cypriot EU Information Centre.

The EU Information Centre – a body attached to the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce – told reporters it was likely direct flights to the north would begin in the near future, but only if certain obstacles could be overcome.

The Centre’s spokeswoman Derya Beyatli said the Chamber of Commerce was looking at ways to overcome the legal and political barriers to direct flights to the north and that two possible approaches had been identified.

“The first approach involves the use of charter flights – rather than scheduled flights – between the north and other international airports. The second involves diplomatic channels and capitalises on positive statements made by the international community regarding the relaxing of sanctions on the north in the wake of EU membership,” Beyatli said.

“For scheduled flights to operate between two countries, each county’s Civil Aviation Organisation (CAO) has to give its approval before they can take place. But for charter flights, such permission in not needed.”

Beyatli says such flights had taken place before between Israel and the north and that they happened in exactly this way.

“Even if you have the flights taking place at the same time every day, no one can object, as long as they are not scheduled flights.”

Beyatli says that while Tymbou airport is unrecognised internationally, it has been approved by the ICAO, as far as technical requirements are concerned.

“In order to comply with the Treaty of Chicago, the ICAO must be informed when a new airport goes into operation, and as far as Ercan is concerned, this has was done by Turkey.”

A similar problem exists regarding Turkish Cypriot airspace, which like the airport is unrecognised but controls air-traffic for an average 300 planes per day. Revenue for its services are collected by Brussels-based Eurocontrol and, ironically, handed on to the Republic of Cyprus government.

The second way of overcoming obstacles to direct flights, says Beyatli, is to launch a diplomatic offensive in the EU, UK and US.

“Inroads have already been made in this direction, culminating in British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s very positive comments in Ankara this week that restrictions on direct flights to the north should be relaxed.

“Our view is that if the UK and US can schedule a number of flights, others will follow suit.”

Beyatli adds that even without international formal recognition of Tymbou airport, direct flights could still happen.

“Moldovia declared itself an autonomous republic, and despite the fact that its capital’s airport is not internationally recognised, direct flights take place without objection from the international community. There are even regular flights between there and Larnaca.”

Cyprus Mail 2004

[Nurgary]

Who knows what Ercan has - but I in 8 years have never heard of a plane being diverted. And there are about 12 landings per day.

And you think that everytime a plane diverts that they would inform you?

No but you can bet it would be reported in TRNC press.

[-mikkie2-]

This conversation is nonesense!

Internationally, the Republic of Cyprus is recognised as the sole LEGAL authority of the whole island. This is made clear in UN resolutions.

It therefore stands to reason that the Republic of Cyprus can deem any of its ports to be legally open or closed and it is this which counts in international organisations such as ICAO. Turkey cannot deem Ercan to be an open airport, because the northern third of Cyprus is not deemed to be Turkish land, but is under military occupation and as such has ne LEGAL grounds to deem ports and airports to be open to international traffic.

One other problem with Ercan is that in the longterm, it is not a viable airport simply because of the proximity of the Pendadactilos mountains. This poses safety risks in the event aircraft get into difficulty. In the days when Nicosia airport was operating there was an instance of an aircraft crashing into the mountians.

[74LB]

Paphitis,
You seem to be a little obsessed with Ercan Airport and its status. There is no doubt that once a solution to the Cyprob is found, Ercan will remain in some capacity.

You can quote all the acronyms you like, be it ICAO, FAA, FIR, NOTAM, IMC, MSA, RPT, IFR, NDB, VOR, ILS and whatever else, but the fact remains that thousands of people currently fly in and out each month.

If as you say it needs to improve in certain aspects then improve it will.
But to say

.......there will be no direct flights ever

is stretching it a little imo.

In another thread on this forum, you even denied that baggage at International airports destined for the TRNC was labelled up with ECN labels.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Whilst you are certainly knowledgeable in the aviation field, stop worrying yourself so much about Ercan. You never know, you may even land there yourself one day

[Nurgary]

This conversation is nonesense!

Internationally, the Republic of Cyprus is recognised as the sole LEGAL authority of the whole island. This is made clear in UN resolutions.

It therefore stands to reason that the Republic of Cyprus can deem any of its ports to be legally open or closed and it is this which counts in international organisations such as ICAO. Turkey cannot deem Ercan to be an open airport, because the northern third of Cyprus is not deemed to be Turkish land, but is under military occupation and as such has ne LEGAL grounds to deem ports and airports to be open to international traffic.

One other problem with Ercan is that in the longterm, it is not a viable airport simply because of the proximity of the Pendadactilos mountains. This poses safety risks in the event aircraft get into difficulty. In the days when Nicosia airport was operating there was an instance of an aircraft crashing into the mountians.

Like no direct ferry link with Syria. OIC countries will be the first to fly direct. Then others will follow.

Look at TRNC trade offices that are opening around the world. The isolation is starting to fall apart and GC's hate it but nothing they can do to stop it.

[Paphitis]

Condition of the Ercan is only politicaly. Airport is donated with all the security equipment.


Charter flights may soon be landing in the north
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Friday, May 21, 2004)

CHARTER flights may start landing at the north’s Tymbou (Ercan) airport in the near future, according to claims made on Wednesday by the Turkish Cypriot EU Information Centre.

The EU Information Centre – a body attached to the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce – told reporters it was likely direct flights to the north would begin in the near future, but only if certain obstacles could be overcome.
The Centre’s spokeswoman Derya Beyatli said the Chamber of Commerce was looking at ways to overcome the legal and political barriers to direct flights to the north and that two possible approaches had been identified.

“The first approach involves the use of charter flights – rather than scheduled flights – between the north and other international airports. The second involves diplomatic channels and capitalises on positive statements made by the international community regarding the relaxing of sanctions on the north in the wake of EU membership,” Beyatli said.

“For scheduled flights to operate between two countries, each county’s Civil Aviation Organisation (CAO) has to give its approval before they can take place. But for charter flights, such permission in not needed.”
Beyatli says such flights had taken place before between Israel and the north and that they happened in exactly this way.

“Even if you have the flights taking place at the same time every day, no one can object, as long as they are not scheduled flights.”

Beyatli says that while Tymbou airport is unrecognised internationally, it has been approved by the ICAO, as far as technical requirements are concerned.
“In order to comply with the Treaty of Chicago, the ICAO must be informed when a new airport goes into operation, and as far as Ercan is concerned, this has was done by Turkey.”

A similar problem exists regarding Turkish Cypriot airspace, which like the airport is unrecognised but controls air-traffic for an average 300 planes per day. Revenue for its services are collected by Brussels-based Eurocontrol and, ironically, handed on to the Republic of Cyprus government.
The second way of overcoming obstacles to direct flights, says Beyatli, is to launch a diplomatic offensive in the EU, UK and US.

“Inroads have already been made in this direction, culminating in British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s very positive comments in Ankara this week that restrictions on direct flights to the north should be relaxed.

“Our view is that if the UK and US can schedule a number of flights, others will follow suit.”

Beyatli adds that even without international formal recognition of Tymbou airport, direct flights could still happen.

“Moldovia declared itself an autonomous republic, and despite the fact that its capital’s airport is not internationally recognised, direct flights take place without objection from the international community. There are even regular flights between there and Larnaca.”

Cyprus Mail 2004

As I stated, ERCAN is not recognised and can not have any scheduled RPT flights. As for charter flights, well this remains to be seen.

For scheduled flights to occur, each country's Civil Aviation Organisation must approve. Impossible when the "TRNC" does not have a CAO that is recognised. Only RoC can approve scheduled flights into ERCAN.

Eurocontrol gives all airways revenue to RoC because the airspace over the "TRNC" belongs to Nicosia FIR. The "TRNC" does not have a FIR. Therefore that revenue belongs to the RoC and Eurocontrol hands over the revenue to the only recognised Civil Aviation Department which belongs to the RoC. We will not thank you for this revenue, as it is revenue that belongs to RoC in the first place.

ERCAN does not meet safety standards as set by ICAO due to the numerous violations of Nicosia FIR. This results in aircraft movements that are not reported to the only recognised authority of Nicosia FIR and causes possible violations to minimum seperation minimas which is a serious safety issue, and one which could potentally cause a mid air collision resulting in hundreds losing their lives. There have been numerous incidents where cockpit True Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) have warned aircrew of international aircraft of traffic and imminent collision warnings causing flight crew initiating collision avoidance.

This article was also published in 2004. And guess what - no scheduled flights and no international charters except from Uzbekistan.

And, there will never be any scheduled flights or charters into ERCAN. Also, Tony Blair is no longer in power.

How many times do I have to tell you, STOP DREAMING and wake up from your fantasy world!

[Paphitis]

Who knows what Ercan has - but I in 8 years have never heard of a plane being diverted. And there are about 12 landings per day.

And you think that everytime a plane diverts that they would inform you?

No but you can bet it would be reported in TRNC press.

Not likely if they can avoid it.

[Paphitis]

This conversation is nonesense!

Internationally, the Republic of Cyprus is recognised as the sole LEGAL authority of the whole island. This is made clear in UN resolutions.

It therefore stands to reason that the Republic of Cyprus can deem any of its ports to be legally open or closed and it is this which counts in international organisations such as ICAO. Turkey cannot deem Ercan to be an open airport, because the northern third of Cyprus is not deemed to be Turkish land, but is under military occupation and as such has ne LEGAL grounds to deem ports and airports to be open to international traffic.

One other problem with Ercan is that in the longterm, it is not a viable airport simply because of the proximity of the Pendadactilos mountains. This poses safety risks in the event aircraft get into difficulty. In the days when Nicosia airport was operating there was an instance of an aircraft crashing into the mountians.

Exactly