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[Kikapu]

I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

Following your logic, as long as you can get away with illegal acts, then it is not a crime. !!!

Is that what you teach your children VP.???

So, if your son becomes "Jack the Ripper" of the "TRNC", he has done nothing wrong, until he is caught.!!

He is only 9 years old VP, so you still have time to set him straight so not to follow your thoughts of logic (contradiction in terms...I know).

If it's already too late to set him straight VP, then I hope he becomes a Bank Robber, so that way he gets rich with others money.

Kind of what goes on now actually.!!

That's not illegal either, is it VP.??

I did not think so.!!

If there is no enforceable punishment then the crime will no longer be a crime. If you kill someone and no one can do anything to punish you eg lock you away or hang you then the crime is not deemed a crime as the perpetrator goes scot free. You can write down its a crime but if theres no penalty then people will not stop doing it. I teach my children right and wrong and they know they will be punished if they do wrong but fly into the TRNC is not punishable so we will all continue to do so as long as you cannot enforce punishment or stop us from doing so.

VP - Make no mistake about it: To live in the TRNC and being a TC are "punishable" and we are being punished just for that since 1963. This punishment includes but certainly is not limited to our economic, cultural, political and representation ambargo. Not being able to fly to Ercan from London is just one of the "perks" that come with the package.

Killing someone and walking around freely because there is no law to punish you is a completely different situation than traveling home and walking around freely despite violating what is dictated by the political interests of foreigners and/or the ones responsible for our devastation during the past 45 years.

Murat I agree with you the examples are 2 extremes and was only given to emphasis the point, the isolation is a direct policy of the GC side to squeeze us into submission but we have shown over 45 years that it will never work TCs are prepared to pay 1000 times more becuase the alternative is being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP,

You are lucky Murataga stepped in before me to set you straight, or else I was going to give it to you myself....with both barrels.!!! It just goes to show what I have been saying for a while about being "Morally Corrupted" and "Corrupted Societies" that are generated when a society can't tell the difference between Right and Wrong. As long as one gets away with it, then it is not a crime.

Count your blessings that Murataga saved you from further embarrassment.!!!

The UN and the rest of the world stuck a bloody medal on your Greek murderers and recognised them as the legitimate government of Cyprus but I still don't see any protests from you on that account mate Your Greek brothers have gotten rich while my cousins lived off handouts from my poor family in the UK so where is the concern for that You are becoming more and more rediculous day by day sweety....But we luv ya!!!

Blame your mentor Denktash for keeping the TC's isolated for 30 years before the gates were opened in 2003 just in time for the EU membership and the Referendum. Coincidence you say...I doubt it..

As for the UN recognizing Cyprus along with the rest of the world, all I can say is, who is more wrong, 200+ countries or just ONE.??

[zan]

I sleep through flights so not a problem for me, illegal is only illegal if you can enforce legality....GC would have stopped flights to the TRNC a long time ago if they could, they cant so life goes on.

Following your logic, as long as you can get away with illegal acts, then it is not a crime. !!!

Is that what you teach your children VP.???

So, if your son becomes "Jack the Ripper" of the "TRNC", he has done nothing wrong, until he is caught.!!

He is only 9 years old VP, so you still have time to set him straight so not to follow your thoughts of logic (contradiction in terms...I know).

If it's already too late to set him straight VP, then I hope he becomes a Bank Robber, so that way he gets rich with others money.

Kind of what goes on now actually.!!

That's not illegal either, is it VP.??

I did not think so.!!

If there is no enforceable punishment then the crime will no longer be a crime. If you kill someone and no one can do anything to punish you eg lock you away or hang you then the crime is not deemed a crime as the perpetrator goes scot free. You can write down its a crime but if theres no penalty then people will not stop doing it. I teach my children right and wrong and they know they will be punished if they do wrong but fly into the TRNC is not punishable so we will all continue to do so as long as you cannot enforce punishment or stop us from doing so.

VP - Make no mistake about it: To live in the TRNC and being a TC are "punishable" and we are being punished just for that since 1963. This punishment includes but certainly is not limited to our economic, cultural, political and representation ambargo. Not being able to fly to Ercan from London is just one of the "perks" that come with the package.

Killing someone and walking around freely because there is no law to punish you is a completely different situation than traveling home and walking around freely despite violating what is dictated by the political interests of foreigners and/or the ones responsible for our devastation during the past 45 years.

Murat I agree with you the examples are 2 extremes and was only given to emphasis the point, the isolation is a direct policy of the GC side to squeeze us into submission but we have shown over 45 years that it will never work TCs are prepared to pay 1000 times more becuase the alternative is being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP,

You are lucky Murataga stepped in before me to set you straight, or else I was going to give it to you myself....with both barrels.!!! It just goes to show what I have been saying for a while about being "Morally Corrupted" and "Corrupted Societies" that are generated when a society can't tell the difference between Right and Wrong. As long as one gets away with it, then it is not a crime.

Count your blessings that Murataga saved you from further embarrassment.!!!

The UN and the rest of the world stuck a bloody medal on your Greek murderers and recognised them as the legitimate government of Cyprus but I still don't see any protests from you on that account mate Your Greek brothers have gotten rich while my cousins lived off handouts from my poor family in the UK so where is the concern for that You are becoming more and more rediculous day by day sweety....But we luv ya!!!

Blame your mentor Denktash for keeping the TC's isolated for 30 years before the gates were opened in 2003 just in time for the EU membership and the Referendum. Coincidence you say...I doubt it..

As for the UN recognizing Cyprus along with the rest of the world, all I can say is, who is more wrong, 200+ countries or just ONE.??

Your 200+ countries are acting as they do because of one hasty decision by the UN and no other reason mate. The decision that was brought on by the Akritas Plan and the tricks played by the GC leaders. If it wasn't for that one decision then the UK and the USA would have recognised us long ago.

[bilako22]

What is right and wrong for Cypriot history ? It seems that what the gGeeks did to their Turkish compatriots in Cyprus until 1974 was right and thereafter everything was wrong.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

And all those flights are breaking international (ICAO) aviation laws. They are not permitted to enter NICOSIA FIR, without permission from NICOSIA Air Traffic Control.

Yet they do every day, the north does not give a shit about your Nicosia FIR, flights will continue to stick the middle finger up at you everytime they land, how does that feel? if you have the leglalites on your side use them to stop flights lets see it, all talk no action.

This just proves once again, that you are a morally corrupt individual. Just like the "TRNC" is also corrupt and hencewith is on borrowed time as such shennanigans will not be permitted to continue for too much longer in this day and age.

Also note, the "trnc" is dispensible due to Turkey's EU aspirations. How long do you think that the 250,000 or so living in the occupied areas are going to hold Turkey's 70,000,000 citizens at ranson and sabotage it's EU entry? You may think that Turkey is not ready for admission to EU, but this will inevitably happen when they say enough is enough and dispence with the "trnc".

[zan]

A new fool with scare stories for the children.....BOOOOOO!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

And all those flights are breaking international (ICAO) aviation laws. They are not permitted to enter NICOSIA FIR, without permission from NICOSIA Air Traffic Control.

Yet they do every day, the north does not give a shit about your Nicosia FIR, flights will continue to stick the middle finger up at you everytime they land, how does that feel? if you have the leglalites on your side use them to stop flights lets see it, all talk no action.

You are not only sticking the middle fingure up to us, but you are also sticking it up to ICAO, UN, EU, UK, US and just about every other nation that exists in the world today.

Your flights are in the same category as the Columbian Drug Lords aircraft which traffic drugs throughout Latin and North America. Both your flights and those Columbian Drug flights are just as illegal as each other.

[Paphitis]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

The GC's know about these direct flights from UK and Germany as they complain everytime there is one - but as normal they are ignored.

They are not ignored. They are recorded by Eurocontrol and ICAO.

[zan]

Paphitis would you mind telling me why Ercan has an ICAO code when you claim that ICAO doesn't recognize our airport?

Also is this the information you are looking for?

www.airfieldmaps.co.uk/Europe.pdf

For some strange reason, the pdf will not open.

Is there some way you can post those charts?

Paphitis, I'm glad you seem to have calmed down (slightly) over Ercan.

Anyway, the link above takes a while to open........and when it does there's loads of (aviation) data that means nothing to most, but plenty to you I guess.

Ercan is listed just above Pahos and Larnaca to make any comparisons easier.

Here's a snippet.....

Airport - Ercan
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - Visual
LDA (m) (1)- 2755 2755
Runway (2)- 16/34 30m
Approach (2) - Visual
LDA (m) (2)- 1800 1800
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

Airport - Larnaca
Runway (1)- 04/22
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2900 2810
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 167
777 - 305
747 - 330

Airport - Pahos
Runway (1)- 11/29
Approach (1) - VOR-D
LDA (m) (1)- 2700 2700
Landing Performance Data and Max LDG WTS
767 - 207
777 - 396
747 - 400

And just as I suspected, ERCAN has no Instrument Landing System (ILS), VHF Omni Directional (VOR), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) or Non Directional Beacons (NDB). These means that all aircraft must carry enough fuel to divert to an Alternate Safe and Suitable Aerodrome if required. They can not do non visual approaches, only visual. So in inclement weather, aircraft are required to divert especially as there is also high terrain nearby.

I am just pointing out that the facilities at ERCAN are visual only and are therefore substandard.

Pafos and Larnaca on the other hand have ILS, VOR-DME, and NDB approaches, as every seroius airport should.

So forget about providing the approach plates, as they do not exist.

Sounds like you are finding it hard to stomach Paphitis, like the TRNC Ercan may not be recognized by other countries but this does not mean it does not exsist and thousands upon thousands of people land their safely every year, get used to it, its your country which insists on it not being recognized as punishment for wanting what you have our own country. Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey, you have to realize that we are willing to have 10 times more islaolation as the TRNC than concede to being forced into a minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

And all those flights are breaking international (ICAO) aviation laws. They are not permitted to enter NICOSIA FIR, without permission from NICOSIA Air Traffic Control.

Yet they do every day, the north does not give a shit about your Nicosia FIR, flights will continue to stick the middle finger up at you everytime they land, how does that feel? if you have the leglalites on your side use them to stop flights lets see it, all talk no action.

You are not only sticking the middle fingure up to us, but you are also sticking it up to ICAN, UN, EU, UK, US and just about every other nation that exists in the world today.

Your flights are in the same category as the Columbian Drug Lords aircraft which traffic drugs throughout Latin and North America. Both your flights and those Columbian Drug flights are just as illegal as each other.

There is nothing illegal about the flights...If you have any evidence of this please post them...

[Nurgary]

So BAA - Manchester - Belfast - Frankfurt airports don't issue ECN tags / don't show Ercan as destination. They do and that is the reality, so nothing like drug flights.

Just get over it Ercan is there and is fully operational as will the other airport this summer.

[Paphitis]

Another fact that will make you feel even more sick is that we even have direct flights from the UK when there are no passengers getting off in Turkey.

Illegally of course, but then again, what's new. I think the appropriate name for those flight is best suited if they were called "Midnight Express" or "Midnight Run". When those flights leave the UK, I can assure you, their flight plans are for Turkey and the shit will hit the fan, if one of those flights crashes between it's intended airport in Turkey and Ercan. There's going to be so much investigation, it's going to make all your heads spin, when the insurance companies will refuse to pay anything for the victims families and the insurance for the aircraft. The authorities may even suspend the rights to land in the UK in the future with those kinds of violations. It is a premeditated attempt to go around the law by flying direct to Ercan from the UK. How can it not be, when the flight's destination is to Istanbul, but not a single person on the flight is going to Istanbul, but rather all going to Ercan. It will be like getting on a plane who's destination is going to Miami, but everyone ends up in Havana instead, and the passengers are saying, "Oh goodies, I always wanted to come to Cuba". They must deliberately deny boarding to anyone that is going to Istanbul, and put them on a another flight that really is is going to Istanbul. Just one more Shenanigans. I hope for every one's sake, that there won't be any crashes, and let the "Midnight Express" continue.

And it is only a matter of time before an air distaster is caused by the mere existance of ERCAN. Non reporting of aircraft position to Eurocontrol and Nicosia FIR is a blight on safety.

Not having non visual approach capabilities is also a blight on safety. Pentadaktilos is nearby!