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[Muzzy70]

Paphitis, the referendum WILL take place in the event of a failed negotiation. I have been informed.

[Kifeas]

Andros raises some interesting points. Not convinced that a tri-partite referendum will take place but option 3 seems feasible to me. There can , in reality be no argument against it. It works perfectly well in the UK where four different ethnic groups have their own 'state' and assemblies. Also, and this is vitally important for the Greek Cypriots to understand, the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish have political equality with the English, despite being in the 'minority'. Thus a 'United Cyprus' can replicate the United Kingdom.

I do know, for a fact, that were a further round of negotiations in Cyprus to fail, a referendum will take place in the TRNC with the following three questions:

1: Do you wish to seek international recognition of the TRNC with unfettered self-determination ?

2: Do you wish to become a part of the Republic of Turkey ?

3: Do you wish to return to the state of affairs as per the London -Zurich Accords of 1959 and join the Republic of Cyprus ?

Mark my words, the above referendum will take place in the event of any failure to come to a mutually acceptable agreement.

Muzzy, if it was that plain and simple as you portray it, why didn't you do such a referendum 20 or 30 years ago, when you have declared the "TRNC?"

Who said to you that a referendum in a territory out of which the vast majority of the indegenous and legitimate population was ethnically cleansed by force, (180,000 GCs,) and in their place another population from a foreign country -the one that committed the ethnic cleansing, was transferred and now constitutes the near majority; can possibly ever have the chance to have the slightest of legitimacy in the eyes of the international community, i.e. those that will grand you the recognition?

Wake up boy, to the realities of international law and the 21st century!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, the referendum WILL take place in the event of a failed negotiation. I have been informed.

And who is your source, IDIOT?

Post some proof or piss off.

[boomerang]

Paphitis, the referendum WILL take place in the event of a failed negotiation. I have been informed.

If that was the case why the declaration in 83?...

[Piratis]

It works perfectly well in the UK where four different ethnic groups have their own 'state' and assemblies. Also, and this is vitally important for the Greek Cypriots to understand, the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish have political equality with the English, despite being in the 'minority'. Thus a 'United Cyprus' can replicate the United Kingdom.

You got it all wrong my friend.

In the UK there are many other ethnic groups, like the Blacks, Muslims etc.

There is Scotland where the great majority of the population has been Scottish for as long (or even longer) as the majority of England was English. The same with the Welsh and Irish.

On the other hand the Blacks, Muslims and several other ethnic minorities arrived later, and do not own their own separate territory.

Turkish Cypriots are an ethnic minority similar to the second group, not the first. The whole of Cyprus has an overwhelming Greek majority for 1000s of years.

If we would apply in the UK what you want to apply in Cyprus, then the Blacks (or Muslims) would have to ethnically cleanse the (white) English from a large territory of England, and declare their own separate country there.

So stop confusing dissimilar things. The Turkish minority in Cyprus are like the Turkish minority in Bulgaria or the many other minorities that colonialists created in their former colonies. They do not own a separate part of the island. There is no such thing as "Turkish Cyprus" in the way that there is Scotland in the UK.

You are criminally and illegally trying to artificially create some fake "Turkish Cyprus" on the north part of our country by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population, replacing them with Turkish Settlers, changing the names of our villages and trying to destroy the true history and culture of our lands, but never make the mistake to believe that you will be able to legalize this crime, or that your illegal occupation is permanent.

The solution is only one: Freedom to Cyprus from all foreign troops, democracy, human rights and equality of all citizens regardless of their ethnic background. The TC minority can have all the minority rights that are given to minorities in any other Eu country.


P.S. A similar case to the Scottish and Welsh would be the Kurds in Turkey. The Kurds have been the majority in the Kurdistan area for 1000s of years, even before the Turks arrived there. So if you want to apply something similar to the UK, that should be applied to Turkey.

[Muzzy70]

Kifeas, Surely you will accept that in Cyprus 'ethnic cleansing' goes both ways. My late grandfather fled from Terra in 1955 and again from Kaymakli in 1963. I accept and acknowledge the bitterness of your community concerning Turkey's intervention in 1974 but can you tell me why my father and his father cried for joy when Turkey landed ?

Again you succumb to the now tried and tested view of the G/C community to harp on about majorities and minorities but you are going to have to change this mindset in order for a compromise to be made. This is a fact. Am I not as much of a Cypriot as you ? If the answer is yes then I am your equal. You cannot deny this and for once this is something that the G/C community has got to come to terms with.

[Paphitis]

Kifeas, Surely you will accept that in Cyprus 'ethnic cleansing' goes both ways. My late grandfather fled from Terra in 1955 and again from Kaymakli in 1963. I accept and acknowledge the bitterness of your community concerning Turkey's intervention in 1974 but can you tell me why my father and his father cried for joy when Turkey landed ?

Again you succumb to the now tried and tested view of the G/C community to harp on about majorities and minorities but you are going to have to change this mindset in order for a compromise to be made. This is a fact. Am I not as much of a Cypriot as you ? If the answer is yes then I am your equal. You cannot deny this and for once this is something that the G/C community has got to come to terms with.

People, this Muzzy IDIOT should not be taken seriously unless he backs up his statements with a link. Until then just ignore him.

[Oracle]

Another panic stricken Turk playing the "Cypriot" card because he is afraid he will be kicked out with the Turkish troops by the EU, shortly!

First they were traitors to the RoC now they have evolved (virgin birth ) into traitors to the RoTurkey ....


Backstabbers!

[strawbie]

I don't know much about the intricacies of the political situation, and I don't have the right to vote in Cypriot political affairs, but I have a few questions about these options if that's ok:

1. It seems like all these plans seem to be about legitimising the illegal Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and forcing everyone else on the island to accept it. Am I seeing it wrong?

2. If Cyprus is re-unified under any of these plans, what happens to all the land that was taken from the Greek Cypriots? Do they get it back? What about all the land that has been illegally sold to people in other countries?

3. What happens to the people currently living in the occupied land? Do they get shipped back to Turkey? If they are to stay, where do they stay and will they be able to vote on Cypriot political issues?

4. If Cyprus is re-unified and the Turkish occupants remain in the land, then what happens when Greek Cypriots try to go back to their villages? Who is going to sort out the inevitable fighting? What if it degenerates even further? Wont there just be a repeat of 1974?

[Piratis]

Kifeas, Surely you will accept that in Cyprus 'ethnic cleansing' goes both ways. My late grandfather fled from Terra in 1955 and again from Kaymakli in 1963. I accept and acknowledge the bitterness of your community concerning Turkey's intervention in 1974 but can you tell me why my father and his father cried for joy when Turkey landed ?

Again you succumb to the now tried and tested view of the G/C community to harp on about majorities and minorities but you are going to have to change this mindset in order for a compromise to be made. This is a fact. Am I not as much of a Cypriot as you ? If the answer is yes then I am your equal. You cannot deny this and for once this is something that the G/C community has got to come to terms with.

Regarding ethnic cleanings, the only ethnic cleansing in Cyprus was that of Turkey in 1974. During the inter-communal conflict some TCs fled from some villages where GCs had more power, and some GCs fled from some villages that TCs had more power. But nobodies land was stolen, and after 1968 most people returned to their homes.

Regarding equality, if you and Kifeas are equal Cypriots that means that you get one vote and Kifeas gets one vote. I am sure Kifeas has no problem to that, but apparently you do, since you do not want to be equal to him, but you want to have more say than he does.