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[shahmaran]

No you did not, you emphasized a certain part and only replied to that, who you trying to fool

[Nurgary]

I see you like the veto in the EU but not when it comes to Cyprus - very interesting. Want majority rule at home but minority equality within EU.

So what about an equal partnership in Cyprus.

Hello? We paid for that veto with our membership fee/s because it was part of the benefits to joining this club!

What's that word again? CLUB!

Membership now is it - TC's had membership with veto until you tw*ts forced them out.

As I said majority rule at home and minority equality elsewhere.

If you’re too daft to understand, or don’t want to understand, then that’s YOUR problem but quit wasting my time thank you!

I understand fully - you want you cake and eat it.

When in Cyprus the shout is "majority/majority/ majority"

But when in EU we are "Equal / Equal / Equal" but a minority who has equal rights.

Yoy Nic says it all - GET REAL.

[CopperLine]

The E.U. cannot be a guarantor,as it isn't a country.

Two errors in such a short sentence. Second clause first : the EU is not a 'country' but it is a state-like international organisation. First clause last : the EU therefore has all the treaty making powers, if necessary, to enter into a treaty of guarantee.

For the EU to act as a guarantor power would, however, be a terribly bad idea for Cyprus (but that is a different argument).

[BC Numismatics]

CopperLine,the only country that should be a guarantor power is Great Britain,which has a guarantor relationship with both the Channel Islands & the Isle of Man.

Aidan.

[michalis5354]

If EU guarantees the membership of Turkey into EU dont you think that Turkey will take more steps to compromise further and abolish this guarantoship issue? This is where I disagree with most who follow the principle Our way or No way. I believe that Turkey can change when the international environemnt EU , USA etc take steps on that direction ! Someone said in the past that Turkey works best when forced into a corner and thats true.

[CopperLine]

BC Numismatics,
That's your opinion, but that wasn't the issue. The issue that you raised was whether the EU could or could not be a guarantor power, and you concluded that it could not because it was not a 'country'. I simply pointed out the mistakes.

On your other claim, are you really arguing that UK didn't intervene in Cyprus because it was too busy in Northern Ireland ? (As I recall it was busy fitting up a bunch of innocent Irishmen for the Birmingham pub bombings for which they were entirely innocent).

[Nurgary]

Is not the reality that there will be no settlement until Turkey is in the EU?

The other question is will there still be an EU in 10 years? There is growing resentment by many people from many Countries who are in it.

[BC Numismatics]

BC Numismatics,
That's your opinion, but that wasn't the issue. The issue that you raised was whether the EU could or could not be a guarantor power, and you concluded that it could not because it was not a 'country'. I simply pointed out the mistakes.

On your other claim, are you really arguing that UK didn't intervene in Cyprus because it was too busy in Northern Ireland ? (As I recall it was busy fitting up a bunch of innocent Irishmen for the Birmingham pub bombings for which they were entirely innocent).

CopperLine,the war against the subhumans from Sinn Fein/I.R.A. wasn't exactly a picnic.The Romish Irish have never been well-liked in the U.K.,& they're not exactly well-liked out here in New Zealand.

Cyprus deserves to be looked after by its friends in the British Commonwealth anyway.

Aidan.

[CopperLine]

Of course there are no absolutes in politics, but my sense is that the EU will be here in ten, twenty, thirty years, and longer. The details of its shape will doubtless change, but the organisation of a single market, the convergence of law, the centralisation of regulation, together with a promotion of a 'Europe of the regions' will continue.

Turkey in EU ? My guess at the moment, for what it is worth, is slightly better than 50:50 chance of membership. The key determinant is what the military do in Turkey - they are the makers or breakers of EU membership. The Cyprus question can be settled .... again, depending on the Turkish military.

[CopperLine]

Sure, 'it wasn't a picnic' but it was hardly a drain on the entire strength of the British armed forces.

And you point about the 'Irish not being liked' in the UK seems to ignore the fact that there has been a constant exchange between the island of Ireland and England, Wales and Scotland for the best part of modern history, intensive migration in the nineteenth century especially. England is deeply influence by so-called 'romish' Ireland. And a good thing too.