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[observer]

Panteman:

Your comments rivet me as to how you can come to such a view.

Can you point to a single mainstream politician who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey?
I can point to presidents of Greece and GC senior politicians of Cyprus who have advocated making Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a statement by anyone in TMT who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey? The whole point of EOKA, EOKA B and Sampson's gang were to make Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a single incident with respect to Cyprus where Turkey broke a signed agreement? GC and Greek politicians started to break the 1960 agreement when the ink was hardly dry on the paper.

The attitude of the GC government towards agreements and understandings made during the Annan process hardly inspires confidence. The TCs kept to the agreements and understandings that they made during the negotiation process.

Any hard facts welcome.

[Oracle]

Panteman:

Your comments rivet me as to how you can come to such a view.

Can you point to a single mainstream politician who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey?
I can point to presidents of Greece and GC senior politicians of Cyprus who have advocated making Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a statement by anyone in TMT who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey? The whole point of EOKA, EOKA B and Sampson's gang were to make Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a single incident with respect to Cyprus where Turkey broke a signed agreement? GC and Greek politicians started to break the 1960 agreement when the ink was hardly dry on the paper.

The attitude of the GC government towards agreements and understandings made during the Annan process hardly inspires confidence. The TCs kept to the agreements and understandings that they made during the negotiation process.

Any hard facts welcome.

Utter rubbish ....

You have no mainstream Politicians ... just lunatics like Denktash, Ecevit et al.

No one would dare mention anything against the TMT

The Turks are a closed shop ... secrecy and subterfuge being their strong-point.

We live in an open society where we freely negotiate changes and modifications as necessary in the continuing improvement of the application of Democracy.

... that is why the great schism occurred ...

Turks do not like change, unless it is 100% under their control.

[shahmaran]

%100 Control hey?!

Kind of reminds me of some other people i know on this island, people who are so blinded by it that they would do anything to obtain it

[pantheman]

Panteman:

Your comments rivet me as to how you can come to such a view.

Can you point to a single mainstream politician who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey?
I can point to presidents of Greece and GC senior politicians of Cyprus who have advocated making Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a statement by anyone in TMT who has ever advocated making Cyprus part of Turkey? The whole point of EOKA, EOKA B and Sampson's gang were to make Cyprus part of Greece.

Can you point to a single incident with respect to Cyprus where Turkey broke a signed agreement? GC and Greek politicians started to break the 1960 agreement when the ink was hardly dry on the paper.

The attitude of the GC government towards agreements and understandings made during the Annan process hardly inspires confidence. The TCs kept to the agreements and understandings that they made during the negotiation process.

Any hard facts welcome.

What??

It was the Toss Me Tenderly (TMT) group who were equally the main perpertraitors of the cyprus cinflict. Killing their own and blaming the GCs to stir the hatred mongst the GCs and TCs. These are the ones who wanted Partition, who want the Northen Cyprus to be a Province of Turkey. Please don't F insult me on this.

What about the Customs Union, what about the 8th July Agreement theres a couple for you. Turkey is full of shit and so are you.

You must think we were all born yesterday, to be sweet talked into some shit like this.

Away with you, you have just shown you are not worth the effort.

[Nurgary]

I keep hearing let EU be GUARANTOR - would be happy for that if TC get Veto as minority. Just like GC's have now as a minority in EU.

[wallace]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

So you have answered your own question that our history is different from yours and its our past that has shaped our future. If people do not want unficiaiton then nothing will change each side will keep making excuses and partition will remain, why not accept it like me, you can choose the alternaive route and keep bashing your head against a brick wall thats also your right.

The only one not wanting unification is you. That's your right. Keep me out of it. I am for a united cyprus. Where I come from all people life together........if they can do it here they can also do it there. Or shall I swear at any german that comes along? Grow up!

[Kikapu]

I keep hearing let EU be GUARANTOR - would be happy for that if TC get Veto as minority. Just like GC's have now as a minority in EU.

Actually it is not the GC's who are in the EU, it is Cyprus.

Cyprus is not a "minority" in the EU, they are equal partners with everyone else in the EU club.

This is one of those occasions, where SIZE does not matter.

[Get Real!]

I keep hearing let EU be GUARANTOR - would be happy for that if TC get Veto as minority. Just like GC's have now as a minority in EU.

Why is it so difficult for many TCs to understand the difference between veto power in a country's constitution and the one in the EU?

[wallace]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

I think that 11 years of trying to force you out of your own country, followed by a coup to join you to another country, is a little more than a cheap excuse.

I can't see the problem with a guarantor from your nearest neighbour. If nothing happens, nothing happens. If GCs, who keep assuring us that they have no intention of doing anything, turn out not to be telling the entire truth, then they must take the consequences.

As for the EU being the guarantor ... the thought of 27 nations all agreeing to take action, with Greece (and possibly a GC government) having a veto doesn't fill me with confidence.

The minor problems going on in Cyprus do not give a guarantor the right to invade. Ofcourse their were problems between 63-68....nobody will deny that.....but not after that. So having your nearest neighbour as a guarantor is not the issue......the issue is the violent history of that neighbour which also invaded your country. Can you see the problem now????

[shahmaran]

The term "invaded" is a matter of perception my friend, i think that is the REAL problem most GC's purposely choose to ignore.