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[wallace]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

[Nikitas]

Just heard on the BBC that "Macedonia" is insisting on using its constitutional name, rejecting Greek proposals for a change, basing its argument on the cohesion of its society in the presence of "an Albanian MINORITY of thirty per cent".

Turkey had no problem accepting this minority as a minority when it recognised "Macedonia" back in the days of Suleiman Demirel. How can 30 per cent be an OK minority there, but the 18 per cent TCs in Cyprus be a special case requiring this mysterious "equal status" (yet to be defined) in Cyprus?

[wallace]

They will recognise the RoC soon too. :D:D

[BC Numismatics]

I agree with you Wallace. There is no need for guarantorships from anyone (Greece, Turkey or UK). Cypriots are mature enough to guarantee there own stability, security and peace. I can not see President Christofias allowing any guarantorships.

Cyprus is a member of EU for heaven's sake.

Paphitis,you're forgetting one thing - Cyprus is also a British Commonwealth member state as well! The only country that IS fit to be a guarantor power is Great Britain! The E.U. cannot be a guarantor power,as it IS NOT a country anyway!

The Akrotiri & Dhekelia Sovereign Base Areas have NEVER been part of the Republic of Cyprus,as they were ceded to Great Britain in 1960 under the terms of the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.The S.B.A.s are legally British colonies anyway!

Aidan.

[Viewpoint]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

So you have answered your own question that our history is different from yours and its our past that has shaped our future. If people do not want unficiaiton then nothing will change each side will keep making excuses and partition will remain, why not accept it like me, you can choose the alternaive route and keep bashing your head against a brick wall thats also your right.

[Paphitis]

I agree with you Wallace. There is no need for guarantorships from anyone (Greece, Turkey or UK). Cypriots are mature enough to guarantee there own stability, security and peace. I can not see President Christofias allowing any guarantorships.

Cyprus is a member of EU for heaven's sake.

Paphitis,you're forgetting one thing - Cyprus is also a British Commonwealth member state as well! The only country that IS fit to be a guarantor power is Great Britain! The E.U. cannot be a guarantor power,as it IS NOT a country anyway!

The Akrotiri & Dhekelia Sovereign Base Areas have NEVER been part of the Republic of Cyprus,as they were ceded to Great Britain in 1960 under the terms of the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.The S.B.A.s are legally British colonies anyway!.

Where was Great Britain in 1974? Some guarantor they turned out to be.

I will have to disagree with you. Any guarantor powers for Great Britain, Greece or Turkey will be a disaster for Cyprus. And that is a fact!

The best guarantor for Cyprus would be the EU, it's constitution and it's founding principles. If Turkey insists on guarantor powers (and they would only do this to hold us all as permanent hostages), then I beleive that the peace talks will sadly fail. This would also mean that Turkey will not enter the EU (which further destabilises the area) and our Cypriot compatriots will remain in their political wilderness.

Viewpoint, you are very eager to argue for a solution based on a "Virgin Birth" of a new nation. This would void "the Treaty of Guarantee" and the British SBA's. You should also be aware that there are thousands of TCs who work in the RoC and some live there permanantly with no violence whatsover.

My opinion is that Cypriots are mature enough to take responsibility of their own nation. We do not need Greece, Turkey or GB. The only thing Cypriots worry about is outdoing each other with bigger mansions and newer Mercedes Benz. The last thing Cypriots will do is to create any kind of conflict. There is too much kaloberasi in Cyprus. And the youth, well the only thing they want is sex, drugs and rock and roll!

[observer]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

I think that 11 years of trying to force you out of your own country, followed by a coup to join you to another country, is a little more than a cheap excuse.

I can't see the problem with a guarantor from your nearest neighbour. If nothing happens, nothing happens. If GCs, who keep assuring us that they have no intention of doing anything, turn out not to be telling the entire truth, then they must take the consequences.

As for the EU being the guarantor ... the thought of 27 nations all agreeing to take action, with Greece (and possibly a GC government) having a veto doesn't fill me with confidence.

[Get Real!]

I’m shocked by all the people who have lived in western countries for decades and yet still have archaic ideas when it comes to Cyprus… it’s something I’ll never understand.

It’s almost like a yearning for the old bizarre arrangements that kept Cyprus stagnant and backwards… the colonialist’s syndrome?

[Paphitis]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

I think that 11 years of trying to force you out of your own country, followed by a coup to join you to another country, is a little more than a cheap excuse.

I can't see the problem with a guarantor from your nearest neighbour. If nothing happens, nothing happens. If GCs, who keep assuring us that they have no intention of doing anything, turn out not to be telling the entire truth, then they must take the consequences.

As for the EU being the guarantor ... the thought of 27 nations all agreeing to take action, with Greece (and possibly a GC government) having a veto doesn't fill me with confidence.

Then the prediction for the week is that the peace process will collapse within the next 6 months. Do not want to be a pessimist, but I sincerely believe that the TCs are not ready or mature enough for a viable solution.

[pantheman]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.

Do you have our history and subsequent agreements? did you go through division?

Division? We do not have guarantor states that use cheap excuses to invade our country. Don't worry.....we also have people like you that feel victims of society.....here we have the same rights for everybody.....for the ones that feel left out they can leave the country for my sake. No special treatment for minorities like you are asking (demanding).

I think that 11 years of trying to force you out of your own country, followed by a coup to join you to another country, is a little more than a cheap excuse.

I can't see the problem with a guarantor from your nearest neighbour. If nothing happens, nothing happens. If GCs, who keep assuring us that they have no intention of doing anything, turn out not to be telling the entire truth, then they must take the consequences.
As for the EU being the guarantor ... the thought of 27 nations all agreeing to take action, with Greece (and possibly a GC government) having a veto doesn't fill me with confidence.

Observer, you need to wake up!

Re, your stupid comment above, why do you think Cyprus has a problem today and how is it Turkey is here??

Whats to stop a TMT 2 forming and causing problems and giving Turkey the same excuse to come in again, only this time taking over the whole island.

No, guarantors are not required in this day and age and certainly not from an unstable country like turkey. IF we had to have such an arrangement (and I hope not) then the UK is the only one I would go with. Turkey has proven time and time again she cannot be trusted to abide by international laws, doesn't listen to anyone and couldn't give a hoot to what the international community are saying. And you want us to go along with this?? Come on, now you are really cutting down to the bone.

Cyprus should be demilitarised, UK/US/Turkey?Greece and any other country. We don't want or need them. We just need a sensible law enforcement arrangement to deal with boarder control, internal uprests, and any emergencies. End of. We are in the EU and they have a responsibility. We can call on them for matters of greater than we can handle.

No to Guarantors.