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[Jerry]

Guarantorship by Turkey effectively means that Cyprus is not a sovereign State. The legal right of any country to intervene, without an invitation, in another country's affairs is contrary to democratic principles. As a compromise and to shut the post Ottoman Imperialists up I would favour EU guarantees, if the EU failed to enforce its guarantees then both Turkey and Greece would then have the right to intervene. The TCs have got to forget the undemocratic rights and privileges they were granted in 1960, ideally a new Cyprus Constitution should start with a blank sheet of paper.

So we would have to wait for the beauracratic cumberson no task force EU to act while people are suffering, as my life would be on the table no thanks, the Turkish army until they enter the EU with a opt out clause for TCs if all goes well.

There are already troops from an EU country on the island. The first "UN" troops in 1963 were British, there is no reason why they could not temporarily be under the control of the EU. However a better idea would be to have the island's police under the control of the EU for an interim period. Cypriot police but with EU monitors at every police station.

If you come to a fair and equitable agreement with the GCs you will have no reason to fear them, it's your excessive demands that will cause you problems in any future settlement because the Greek Cypriots will resent you. You are 18% of the population, stop acting as if you represented the overwhelming majority.

[bill cobbett]

Agreed this is not negotiable. No guaranteeshit from the RoT, whole turkish army packs up and leaves on Day Zero.

[Oracle]

Guarantorship by Turkey effectively means that Cyprus is not a sovereign State. The legal right of any country to intervene, without an invitation, in another country's affairs is contrary to democratic principles. As a compromise and to shut the post Ottoman Imperialists up I would favour EU guarantees, if the EU failed to enforce its guarantees then both Turkey and Greece would then have the right to intervene. The TCs have got to forget the undemocratic rights and privileges they were granted in 1960, ideally a new Cyprus Constitution should start with a blank sheet of paper.

Inability to stand firm on what is actually right ...

You make a valid point regarding the EU guarantees ... ... and then you take it away again with the ever-killing small print that Turkey or Greece can intervene ...

This job is too important to be left to "men"

[pantheman]

to bring the issue of guarantorship as a bargaining issue could lead to serious disagreement in the negotiations process.

the guarantorship treaties has international status !!!

this is a warning from TC's side.
this warning must be notice.......

You cheeky bastards, you say these have international status, so you want the world to honour these? Fuck you, what about all the UN resolutions against you, don't they have international statuts???

Yeah, just as I thought, its a case of whats yours is yours and whats our is also yours.

When you can abide by the international laws, only then expect to have your own respected.

Typical F turks again, you just want want want. You haven't even given the peace process a chance and you are coming up with all these preconditions. At least now you cannot blame TPaP, can you??? Who will it be this time.

Just typical.

[-mikkie2-]

The Cyprus Problem is inexorably linked to Turkish EU negotiations and eventual accession.

Turkey will need to show that it trusts the EU if it is to progress accession negotiations. It therefore stands to reason that the EU cannot accept the 'guarantorship' of Turkey of a part of what is now in essence, EU soil.

Please be also aware that any negotiated solution will need to be accepted by ALL EU member states individually if it is to become primary law of the EU. It therefore also stands to reason that provisions of the new constitution that go against fundamental EU principles would mean that Cyprus could be excluded from the EU by virtue of only 1 member state voting against the new state of affairs becoming primary law of the EU.

Basically, it will mean that Cyprus can be used against Turkish EU accession even after a negotiated solution. TC's need to be very careful for what they wish for because they could not only screw up Turkish accession, they could also endanger the membership of all of Cyprus and effectively partition the island - meaning that the current state of affairs will prevail, where the south will continue to enjoy EU membership while the north will be excluded.

Think about it!

[Jerry]

Guarantorship by Turkey effectively means that Cyprus is not a sovereign State. The legal right of any country to intervene, without an invitation, in another country's affairs is contrary to democratic principles. As a compromise and to shut the post Ottoman Imperialists up I would favour EU guarantees, if the EU failed to enforce its guarantees then both Turkey and Greece would then have the right to intervene. The TCs have got to forget the undemocratic rights and privileges they were granted in 1960, ideally a new Cyprus Constitution should start with a blank sheet of paper.

Inability to stand firm on what is actually right ...

You make a valid point regarding the EU guarantees ... ... and then you take it away again with the ever-killing small print that Turkey or Greece can intervene ...

This job is too important to be left to "men"

The small print would in effect force the EU to intervene or risk a war between two member States. Turkey would not dare to intervene prior to joining the club obvious reasons.

[Viewpoint]

Agreed this is not negotiable. No guaranteeshit from the RoT, whole turkish army packs up and leaves on Day Zero.

And we trust the GC army? allow the risk of total mayhem and indanger human lives when we have opportunity to agree a gradual decrease as trust and cooperation is built up with a comprehensive solution.

[Kifeas]

to bring the issue of guarantorship as a bargaining issue could lead to serious disagreement in the negotiations process.

the guarantorship treaties has international status !!!

this is a warning from TC's side.
this warning must be notice.......

The “guarantorship” treaties, especially the provisions for unilateral intervention "rights,” have ZERO international status! They crossly contradict with, and are nullified by the UN Charter, thus the Turkish invasion was illegal!

Article 103 of the UN Charter says:
“In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.”

Soon Turkey, if Christofias has the necessary balls, will have to appear before the International Court of Justice of The Hague, to defend her claims, if she wants an EU accession process to continue!

[denizaksulu]

So you are asking us to trust the EU who has no task force in moments of crisis and to boot do not keep their word, ho hold I have to conduct 500 meetings before deciding whether they want to save lives, no thanks. Turkey should be a guarantor to the northern state only until they enter the EU, with an option if the TC feel safe to cease the guarantorship at anytime during the follow up to entry. Hows that sound?

What I am saying is sit and talk and dont make statements like Ercakica has. It would be used as an excuse to avoid meetings.

I agree the media sometimes do more bad than good. He is probably saying this for local consumption.

As you can see from the forumers response, people in Cyprus will be seeing/hearing the same. Eventually come up with the same conclusion.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.

[wallace]

I don't think so dear Stella (synonimy me tin gynaika mou) Here in the Netherlands we live with various different cultures and I am proud to say that even minorities exist we do live in peace with everybody.