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[Get Real!]

...To say it is illegal depends on who's laws you refer to. ICAO may have rules, regulations and standards but are they "laws"?

There is only ONE SET of international rules:



Is the Ercan airport legal?

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) was the result of the 1944 Chicago Conference to establish an international authority for civil aviation matters.

http://www.icao.int/

The International Civil Aviation Organization membership list includes Cyprus and Turkey as members but not “TRNC”.

http://www.icao.int/cgi/goto_m.pl?cgi/statesDB4.pl?en

The Convention on International Civil Aviation clearly DIRECTLY LINKS the United Nations with any barring or debarring of country/state memberships…

(Page 94)

1) A State whose government the General Assembly

of the United Nations has recommended be debarred from

membership in international agencies established by or

brought into relationship with the United Nations shall

automatically cease to be a member of the International

Civil Aviation Organization;



2) A State which has been expelled from membership

in the United Nations shall automatically cease to be a

member of the International Civil Aviation Organization

unless the General Assembly of the United Nations attaches

to its act of expulsion a recommendation to the contrary.



b) A State which ceases to be a member of the

International Civil Aviation Organization as a result of the

provisions of paragraph a) above may, after approval by the

General Assembly of the United Nations, be readmitted to the

International Civil Aviation Organization upon application and

upon approval by a majority of the Council.



C) Members of the Organization which are suspended

from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership in

the United Nations shall, upon the request of the latter, be

suspended from the rights and privileges of membership in this

Organization.

http://www.icao.int/icaonet/arch/doc/7300/7300_9ed.pdf


It is well known that the “TRNC” has been declared by the United Nations as ILLEGAL in accordance with UN resolution 541 and cannot therefore ever be admitted to the International Civil Aviation Organization, thus rendering the port ILLEGAL.


In the UN’s own words…

“…the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is invalid”


http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm


Finally, restrictions Imposed by the Republic of Cyprus on vessels calling illegally at ports in the occupied part of Cyprus:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2006.nsf/c ... enDocument


Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)…

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/Embassies/Emb ... ment&print

[Raymanoff]

Get Real! Start a new topic NOW!!!

[vaughanwilliams]

...To say it is illegal depends on who's laws you refer to. ICAO may have rules, regulations and standards but are they "laws"?

There is only ONE SET of international rules:



Is the Ercan airport legal?

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) was the result of the 1944 Chicago Conference to establish an international authority for civil aviation matters.

http://www.icao.int/

The International Civil Aviation Organization membership list includes Cyprus and Turkey as members but not “TRNC”.

http://www.icao.int/cgi/goto_m.pl?cgi/statesDB4.pl?en

The Convention on International Civil Aviation clearly DIRECTLY LINKS the United Nations with any barring or debarring of country/state memberships…

(Page 94)

1) A State whose government the General Assembly

of the United Nations has recommended be debarred from

membership in international agencies established by or

brought into relationship with the United Nations shall

automatically cease to be a member of the International

Civil Aviation Organization;



2) A State which has been expelled from membership

in the United Nations shall automatically cease to be a

member of the International Civil Aviation Organization

unless the General Assembly of the United Nations attaches

to its act of expulsion a recommendation to the contrary.



b) A State which ceases to be a member of the

International Civil Aviation Organization as a result of the

provisions of paragraph a) above may, after approval by the

General Assembly of the United Nations, be readmitted to the

International Civil Aviation Organization upon application and

upon approval by a majority of the Council.



C) Members of the Organization which are suspended

from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership in

the United Nations shall, upon the request of the latter, be

suspended from the rights and privileges of membership in this

Organization.

http://www.icao.int/icaonet/arch/doc/7300/7300_9ed.pdf


It is well known that the “TRNC” has been declared by the United Nations as ILLEGAL in accordance with UN resolution 541 and cannot therefore ever be admitted to the International Civil Aviation Organization, thus rendering the port ILLEGAL.


In the UN’s own words…

“…the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is invalid”


http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm


Finally, restrictions Imposed by the Republic of Cyprus on vessels calling illegally at ports in the occupied part of Cyprus:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2006.nsf/c ... enDocument


Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)…

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/Embassies/Emb ... ment&print

I think you may be missing my point.

I am not saying Ercan is registered with ICAO or recognised by them in any way, but I simply ask whether ICAO can declare Ercan "illegal"? I am not so sure you are not over-emotionalizing it in your choice of words. It may be un-registered but does that make it illegal as far as ICAO are concerned, which was the initial claim in the opening posts of this thread? It may very well be that according to RoC law entering Cyprus through unregistered ports is illegal, but that applies to the person/s so entering, it does not apply to Ercan as a facility.
I think it would be more correct to say that Ercan is an unregistered airport through which persons enter Cyprus illegally, according to RoC law.
It does not make Ercan an "illegal" airport.

[Get Real!]

It does not make Ercan an "illegal" airport.

The facility you call “Ercan” is ILLEGAL as well as any other facility not approved by the rightful government of Cyprus. Why? Because the RoC says so!

There are no ifs, and no buts!

[vaughanwilliams]

Wisler, dont even think of coming to Cyprus straight to North... this will be illegal.

Illegal only to you....the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck...
Every year thousands of EU citizens fly to Ercan and even cross the checkpoint to ROC.....Why doesn't you authorities try to stop any of them and say they entered the island through an illegal port??
Get over it cos there is sweet FA you can do about it.
So,stop trying to scare people off!!

The airline I work for gives a fuck. We would not land there if we had all 4 engines on fire. We would prefer Larnaca or Pafos. We would not want to jeopardise the safety of our passengers by landing at a safety substandard airport. Our insurance policies will not even cover any operations to this illegal airport.

Thats a load of bollox...we all know the reason airlines avoid Ercan is political..As far as safety standards go,your Larnaca doesn't have anything over Ercan..
You would be surprised if you ever came and had a look with your own eyes instead of listening to the crap propaganda you guys generate.

Take a good look at the world class facilities being built at Larnaca, Iceman.

The link is as follows:

http://www.hermesairports.com/

I think it is Ercan airport that does not meet safety standards. Besides, that is not really the issue. The issue is that it is an illegal airport built on stolen GC land by an occupation army that illegally invaded the soveriegn nation of Cyprus.

ERCAN airport is internationally outlawed as an aerodrome. It does not exist on our airline navigation charts or our airlines Flight Management Computer (FMS) navigational database. It is not mentioned on Jeppesen Aeronautical Enroute Charts or Airways Manuals because it is illegal.

The only airlines that operate into ERCAN are Turkish companies, and one charter from Uzbekistan for crying out loud. No self respecting airline would ever contemplate landing at ERCAN because it is substandard and illegal.

And by substandard, I mean it has not satisfied ICAO safety standards. And the airspace above ERCAN belongs to NICOSIA FIR.

Also not quite true.
Ercan was originally constructed by the British in World War II, during their occupation of the island. It was abandoned after the independence of Cyprus. So whilst it may have been built on Cypriot land, it existed before independence.

[Gasman]

Boom in Greek Cypriots travelling from north

But casino spending is down

July 05, 2010 -

http://www.financialmirror.com

Greek Cypriots are increasingly using the internationally unrecognised airports in the north to travel abroad, despite the taboo on doing so, according to data from the credit card company JCC. In the first six months of 2010, spending on airlines in the north (and Antalya) using cards issued in the south reached EUR 731,720, a 21-fold increase compared with the same period of 2009 according to our analysis.

Since the credit card data also include Antalya, it is possible that some of this is spent on travel to Turkey via Greece, as Turkey has become a popular destination even for Greek Cypriots who would never step foot in the north, where some 35,000 Turkish troops are stationed.

Nevertheless, anecdotal evidence suggests that Greek of the Cypriot variety can increasingly be heard at Ercan (formerly Tymbou) airport. Perhaps Istanbul has become a more attractive hub to reach the rest of Europe than strike-ridden Athens.

Spending on casinos appears to be the only category that has been hit by the recession in the south, with spending down 44.8% year on year in the first six months at EUR 1.1 mln.

In the first six months of the year credit card spending in the north (and Antalya) rose by 6.8% over the same period of 2009 to EUR 3.5 mln, or around 10% of Turkish Cypriot GDP.

Turkish Cypriot spending up 0.3% in Jan-June

Meanwhile, spending by Turkish Cypriots in the south rose by only 0.3% to EUR 8.1 mln in the first six months of 2010 compared with the same period of 2009.

The biggest increase was in spending on charities, up 302%, although the amount was a tiny EUR 1,481. The next largest increase was on food and drink, with spending up 42.8% to EUR 47,245.

Fiona Mullen, Sapienta Economics

So ...

Taboo or Illegal?

Daddy or Chips?

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

It is also illegal to throw litter , speed in your car, park on double yellow lines, but the majority of the population does it.so if I have a choice of flying into ergan and saving money and travel time im going to do it ,and stuff what governments around the world say, do they care about me ,i dont think so,

[grote smurf]

grote smurf.... i have no idea about occupied areas, but here we have loads of stations which have decent equipment for hire.

Can you tell me where?

[Raymanoff]

Larnaca - 2 proper stations with proper equipment - Taboo and Fanatic
Limassol - 3 stations with a lot of equipment choice

use google

[CopperLine]

Salute from Prague.
Could someone share any info about windsurfing in North Cyprus?
Are there clubs or special beaches?
Internet links?
In wich hotels I can rent equipment?
Regards,
Victor.

Hello Wisler,

If you are going to visit the northern parts of Cyprus, be sure to enter Cyprus from either Larnaca or Pafos International Airports as Ercan is an illegal port of entry as deemed by the United Nations and the International Community. I believe there are direct flights from Prague to Larnaca.

The wind surfing on offer in the southern parts (Non Occupied areas) are with out doubt better than what is on offer in the northern parts (Occupied Areas).

Wisler,
Be cautious about advice you get on this forum. For example, Paphitis comments on the quality of windsurfing in northern Cyprus as if he knows: but Paphitis has told the forum previously that he's never been to northern Cyprus let alone windsurfed. Second he says that travelling via Ercan is a breach of international law : it is not, he's just making it up to scare you.

Go north or south as you wish and on the basis of reliable windsurfing advice. Wherever you go, have a good holiday.