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[bill cobbett]

We do ourselves no favours when as some members suggest we try and suppress our thoughts and moderate our posts on the matters under discussion by Pres X and Mr T. This has been said in this post and in others over the past few days.

Surely members have a duty, when they post, to "speak" sincerely and honestly and to get across what they really feel, for it is only when people speak in these ways that some kind of truth might emerge.

( 4 lines with 0 use of the "I" word)

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... Kept out of the north by dishonest and insincere postings

[Oracle]

We do ourselves no favours when as some members suggest we try and suppress our thoughts and moderate our posts on the matters under discussion by Pres X and Mr T. This has been said in this post and in others over the past few days.

Surely members have a duty, when they post, to "speak" sincerely and honestly and to get across what they really feel, for it is only when people speak in these ways that some kind of truth might emerge.

( 4 lines with 0 use of the "I" word)

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... Kept out of the north by dishonest and insincere postings

I stop reading posters that just agree with others simply to be liked .... They are the inane "fillers".

Personally I go for the dazzling, purple-paper covered hazelnut in caramel chocolates and leave the flat yellow toffees

No matter how absurd an idea, people should feel free to express it .. for the greater the number of choices we have the more likely we are to find a solution.

If Paphitis and Jerry want a quiet life ... they can just listen to Radio 3 ... and suck on those flat toffees ....

[Nikitas]

So far the negotiators were ethnically motivated, a Hellenist on one side a Panturanist on the other. Now there are two leftists negotiating, so it will be interesting to see the nature of the priorities they will bring to the table. Once you leave the age old Greek-Turk debate aside and look at the problem without these filters you get to the nitty gritty stuff. At least if there is a failure, this time it will be attributed to the real causes and not to phantoms.

[Paphitis]

We do ourselves no favours when as some members suggest we try and suppress our thoughts and moderate our posts on the matters under discussion by Pres X and Mr T. This has been said in this post and in others over the past few days.

Surely members have a duty, when they post, to "speak" sincerely and honestly and to get across what they really feel, for it is only when people speak in these ways that some kind of truth might emerge.

( 4 lines with 0 use of the "I" word)

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... Kept out of the north by dishonest and insincere postings

I stop reading posters that just agree with others simply to be liked .... They are the inane "fillers".

Personally I go for the dazzling, purple-paper covered hazelnut in caramel chocolates and leave the flat yellow toffees

No matter how absurd an idea, people should feel free to express it .. for the greater the number of choices we have the more likely we are to find a solution.

If Paphitis and Jerry want a quiet life ... they can just listen to Radio 3 ... and suck on those flat toffees ....

It is OK to speak the truth, it is just the way you do it that matters. You can do it in a positive or negative manner. Which do you think is going to achieve better results? Positive or Negative?

Oracle, why do you need to prove that you are a Type A personality? I will go further and say that you are a Type A-. That is you are on the right side of the crucifix graph but below the line. This means Type A (Assertive) but in an arrogant or negative way. The ideal leader is a Type A+ (Assertive) but in a positive way. That is leadership style is positive which promotes respect amongst peers and promotes teamwork.

Sorry for rambling, but I am an Aviator (Multi Crew Environment). Part of our training is Crew Resource Management (CRM) which explores various personality types such as Type A and Type B and the way these individuals interact in high pressure situations and the varying leadership styles and their effectiveness under extreme pressure. I can go on and on about this. But to put it in simple terms, if you were an airline captain and I was a first officer, I would not enjoy flying with you, as Type A- can cause a break down in effectice CRM ie teamwork. Leadership style is negative. Not ideal when all hell breaks loose.

A true leader Type A+ is both positive, and has vision. These are the traits required to achieve positive results such as a solution. From what I have gathered, President Christofias is a Type A+. Tassos Pappadopoulos is a Type A-. And I am not a Christofias fan either, I preffered Kassoulidis whom I also believe is Type A+.

[Oracle]

We do ourselves no favours when as some members suggest we try and suppress our thoughts and moderate our posts on the matters under discussion by Pres X and Mr T. This has been said in this post and in others over the past few days.

Surely members have a duty, when they post, to "speak" sincerely and honestly and to get across what they really feel, for it is only when people speak in these ways that some kind of truth might emerge.

( 4 lines with 0 use of the "I" word)

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... Kept out of the north by dishonest and insincere postings

I stop reading posters that just agree with others simply to be liked .... They are the inane "fillers".

Personally I go for the dazzling, purple-paper covered hazelnut in caramel chocolates and leave the flat yellow toffees

No matter how absurd an idea, people should feel free to express it .. for the greater the number of choices we have the more likely we are to find a solution.

If Paphitis and Jerry want a quiet life ... they can just listen to Radio 3 ... and suck on those flat toffees ....

It is OK to speak the truth, it is just the way you do it that matters. You can do it in a positive or negative manner. Which do you think is going to achieve better results? Positive or Negative?

Oracle, why do you need to prove that you are a Type A personality? I will go further and say that you are a Type A-. That is you are on the right side of the crucifix graph but below the line. This means Type A (Assertive) but in an arrogant or negative way. The ideal leader is a Type A+ (Assertive) but in a positive way. That is leadership style is positive which promotes respect amongst peers and promotes teamwork.

Sorry for rambling, but I am an Aviator (Multi Crew Environment). Part of our training is Crew Resource Management (CRM) which explores various personality types such as Type A and Type B and the way these individuals interact in high pressure situations and the varying leadership styles and their effectiveness under extreme pressure. I can go on and on about this. But to put it in simple terms, if you were an airline captain and I was a first officer, I would not enjoy flying with you, as Type A- can cause a break down in effectice CRM ie teamwork. Leadership style is negative. Not ideal when all hell breaks loose.

A true leader Type A+ is both positive, and has vision. These are the traits required to achieve positive results such as a solution. From what I have gathered, President Christofias is a Type A+. Tassos Pappadopoulos is a Type A-. And I am not a Christofias fan either, I preffered Kassoulidis whom I also believe is Type A+.

If you read De Bono ... you will find there is no right or wrong way with presenting ideas / arguments ... the more the better....

Leadership of any kind is not for me ... I do not want to lead neither am I "leaderble" ..

You have me all wrong ...

I am a problem solver ... I throw out ideas, I am not afraid to play devil's advocate, I am analytical to exasperation point to those around me ( i.e. you ... ) most importantly I do not crave affection nor care for enforced / false respect ...... I am thoroughly content with life bar the few injustices I see around me which I want to, insist on, feel positively driven to solve ...

BFYI ... I am more the "Extrovert Intuitive Thinking" Type on the Myers-Briggs Indicator ...

Now you are making Bananiot itchy to count the "I"s again ...

Are we out of interesting things to discuss?... can we stop with all this introversion please ....

[bill cobbett]

Surely people must express themselves in any way they wish or can and let's not forget that English is not the first language of many/most members so sometimes a couple of expletives or even an insult or two can be helpful in getting across a point.

As to the matters of negativity and positivity that some speak of above I would say that one person's positive is often an other's negative. For instance someone might say " We are going back to our homes in Kyrenia ". Well, that's nice and positive unless you happen to be a settler from Anatolia (?) living in these houses for whom the same statement is a bit negative.

Offending? Well, as someone once said (something like) if you believe in in your right to free speech, you must also insist on your right to be offended (and insulted).

Anyway, back to the post in question. They met, they smiled at eachother and the cameras and talked. Well forgive the extreme views of a fanatical democrat that follow but what have they got to talk about? To my mind the only thing these two have to agree are in setting the day when:-
1. the Occupying Turkish Army leaves the Island.
2. the rights, freedoms (and responsibilities) that are enjoyed by all citizens of all the other EU states are applied in all Cy.

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....Kept out of the north by Bizonal, Bicom, Bicycle, Partitionist agreements

[repulsewarrior]

...here is my problem OP. It's obvious I care. It's obvious to me that you love this island as much as i do.
and yet, my question to date remains ignored. I would like to write to Talat and to Christofias personally.

Can you help me?

Mr. B, you must have read my last postings on this thread, what do you think?

Who was saying stay calm, and let's stick together, thank-you, but (as you know) we need more, I need more.

Only Nikitas is on subject, in my mind now he is Mr.N.

and bill, one of my favorite posters, my friend,
don't be bamboozled into thinking BBF is all bad, in it like in all things is a yin and a yang.
i could use your consideration.

[Jerry]

Surely people must express themselves in any way they wish or can and let's not forget that English is not the first language of many/most members so sometimes a couple of expletives or even an insult or two can be helpful in getting across a point.

As to the matters of negativity and positivity that some speak of above I would say that one person's positive is often an other's negative. For instance someone might say " We are going back to our homes in Kyrenia ". Well, that's nice and positive unless you happen to be a settler from Anatolia (?) living in these houses for whom the same statement is a bit negative.

Offending? Well, as someone once said (something like) if you believe in in your right to free speech, you must also insist on your right to be offended (and insulted).

Anyway, back to the post in question. They met, they smiled at eachother and the cameras and talked. Well forgive the extreme views of a fanatical democrat that follow but what have they got to talk about? To my mind the only thing these two have to agree are in setting the day when:-
1. the Occupying Turkish Army leaves the Island.
2. the rights, freedoms (and responsibilities) that are enjoyed by all citizens of all the other EU states are applied in all Cy.

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....Kept out of the north by Bizonal, Bicom, Bicycle, Partitionist agreements

Bill, there is nothing wrong with saying " We are going back to our homes in Kyrenia " however "We are going to kick the fucking Turks into the sea so that we can go back to our homes in Kyrenia" may be a shared ambition but expressing it to the other side is counter-productive to finding a solution. The loud mouthed racist remarks by some posters on this site may be an indication of a psychological or hormonal problem or they could be a pathetic attempt at attention seeking, and, whilst I agree with the right to free speech I believe that hate posts achieve nothing. Both Denktash and TPap, the leading hate mongers, have gone. They achieved nothing, they wasted our time, they had too much hatred for the other side to ever be part of a solution. The Cyprus problem will be solved, if ever, by moderatation not by expressing extreme views however justified. Whilst I disagree with the Turkish Cypriot position on the problem in Cyprus my current understanding of their views has been largely shaped by what I have read on this site and I am sure the reverse is true, if we want to share the island with them I feel that we could make a start by being a little more positive towards them on this forum.

[bill cobbett]

...here is my problem OP. It's obvious I care. It's obvious to me that you love this island as much as i do.
and yet, my question to date remains ignored. I would like to write to Talat and to Christofias personally.

Can you help me?

Mr. B, you must have read my last postings on this thread, what do you think?

Who was saying stay calm, and let's stick together, thank-you, but (as you know) we need more, I need more.

Only Nikitas is on subject, in my mind now he is Mr.N.

and bill, one of my favorite posters, my friend,
don't be bamboozled into thinking BBF is all bad, in it like in all things is a yin and a yang.
i could use your consideration.

RW. Let me say first that, I do passionately share your belief that all Cs can live together in peace.

On the political level I am very unhappy with artificial but very real internal borders. Whether this is a bizonal or some kind of canton (or enclave, don't like this word) based agreement maintains the present segregation, keeps up the them and us mentality and with limited personal contact between communities. Then we have another artificial construction in the matter of the Constitution and the relationship between the zonal governing bodies and the role and strength of the central government. We are in danger (again) of building a house of cards.

On the personal level, these BCF agreements will mean, it seems to me that, we will be telling a good many Cypriots (of both communities) that they will have to give up their rights to their homes, lands and their village roots for some greater good. Now, some will say that there will be compensation but in the first instance all homes and land must be returned to rightful owners. It is up to them to decide whether or not to accept compensation.

The EU angle. Any agreement has to comply with Cy's obligations to the other EU states and respect EU laws. I am of the view that BCFs/Cantonal schemes don't comply because they are more than likely to impose restraints on such matters as freedom of movement and freedom to enjoy property.

My preference in 2008 - Build on a EU model base with no internal borders. Only guarantees the EU and its laws and institutions.

My compromise in 2008 - A temporary BCF agreement (5-10 years) pending my permanent preference above.
(Bugger - RW has made me compromise)

My bottom line (red line I think some call it) - Army of RoT must go on Day 0 - no negotiation.

[Oracle]

...here is my problem OP. It's obvious I care. It's obvious to me that you love this island as much as i do.
and yet, my question to date remains ignored. I would like to write to Talat and to Christofias personally.

Can you help me?

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Letter to Christofias:

Dear President

Congratulations on your recent appointment. Our future is now in your (capable ) hands. You have worked hard to get to this position ..... so remember who put you there.

Your number one duty is to restore a whole and undivided Island. Many other Presidents have been the victims of Turkish intransigence and time-wasting tactics ... Indeed Talat is the last one guilty of this.

Do not be fooled, do not be taken in, do not waste any more time. Use all resources at your disposal to enlist the help of all those that matter to remove the number one obstacle to peace ..... the presence of the Turkish Army.

Once they are gone, we can re-establish the Cypriots in their rightful homes and continue with the Europeanisation of those for whom it is a novelty.

We must never repeat the mistakes of the past ... such as hang special conditions for "communities" or "minorities"or this or that "language" speaking types.

We want a truly Democratic country that treats each individual as a Human being ..... no more no less.

In anticipation of a good and productive term

Yours truly
Oracle / repulsewarrior
xxx

Letter to Talat:

Dear TC-leader Talat

Since you are a puppet ..... let your masters know they are not wanted and have to leave Cyprus. Listen to Christofias .... for he is your President too!

Goodbye
Oracle / repulsewarrior