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[Paphitis]

People, please stay positive. No need for slinging matches.

And Oracle, I have read many of your posts, and I do not want to criticise you but can I kindly request that you tone it down a little as I can not help but come to the conclusion that many of your posts are a little unconstructive in the present environment of optimism. The Cyprus problem will only be solved if both GCs and TCs discard the past and look forward to a better future. We must not engage into a blame game or return to anachronistic ideals.

This also applies to many others as well. Many of our TC friends on this forum can also tone down their language a little. If everyone remains positive, then we will have progress.

[unitedwestand]

It is a question of sustaining a culture.

it is complex because to see its sparkle one must support its many facets in your point of view.

It was Papadopoulos who said, as a young man, that Cyprus may be Greek, but it is unimaginable without its Turks.

and for this culture to sustain itself we must recognise within ourselves, "Greek" or "Turk", that we are stewards of something older, something which is more dear, and something which belongs to neither one of "us", because it should belong, to no one.

Thus

we can sustain for ourselves, a sense of Nationality, because we choose to (and we are very "lucky" we are getting to choose).

But,

it is our obligation, to Humanity itself, to see in our identity, oneness; a sense that our Heritance which goes back (in this case) to neolithic times lives, and is a line, unbroken, now Sovereign, as dwellers we were, and are, great cooperators.
Cyprus is an island.

Bicommunal means two level of governments; in our case three governing bodies.

For the geography: if the objective is to repopulate (all) the displaced, it requires a Bizonal definition; meaning each part made up of components, being of two parts (... allowing for new villages and townships to be founded, as well as the return of many displaced, as communities, as I suggest, as enclaves, and in the cities).

I predict that if you live for forty more years you will see 40% of the population a colour other than red or blue living here. We will be "Greeks" living amongst "Turks", "Turks" amongst "Turks, "Greeks" amongst "Greeks", "Turks" amongst "Greeks", and much more. Where will we be if we are not Cypriots? Obviously being Greek or being Turkish is not enough. And thinking that things will stay the same is not wise. and Now that "this choice" is on the line, I suggest that we can offer a virgin birth of our own.

consider again please what i am suggesting...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

...and if someone could find me their addresses Talat and Christo i would like them to read it too.

you don't have to like it, but i would like someone to suggest one better, which is more Just.

I read your proposal and I liked it. I also noticed some GCs dislike to it too. Some even thought it was worst than the Annan Plan, but the fact is a solution can only be achieved with your suggestions as the main ingredients. Well done RW.

[repulsewarrior]

thank-you uni.d,

will some one give me the addresses

...for my peace of mind, at least.

quite frankly, i will publish it before I send it, and i hope by then that others will support it and that your comments are included in the topic where this discussion is sought. while failure is the most likely outcome, it is not impossible, it is in essence our only choice, and like the political-economist, in that dismal failure, there is the process of try, and try again.

[Oracle]

People, please stay positive. No need for slinging matches.

And Oracle, I have read many of your posts, and I do not want to criticise you but can I kindly request that you tone it down a little as I can not help but come to the conclusion that many of your posts are a little unconstructive in the present environment of optimism. The Cyprus problem will only be solved if both GCs and TCs discard the past and look forward to a better future. We must not engage into a blame game or return to anachronistic ideals.

This also applies to many others as well. Many of our TC friends on this forum can also tone down their language a little. If everyone remains positive, then we will have progress.

If by tone you mean do not counter incorrect posts with articles and facts, then no, I will not stop. You are impressive, but not enough to convince me, yet! ... your method is different to mine, that is all.

I am not a diplomat. But I am used to getting what I want. My style, though lacking in sophistication, has a high success rate. I don't like pretence and avoiding facing the worst case scenarios.

Basically, when crossed, I shame the opponent, pedantically criticise, never forget, shout and nag my demands for rectification. I have boundless energy when I get the bit between the teeth and hold on until the other side admits defeat.

...... That is when I negotiate what I am prepared to accept ... they usually receive more than they expected (depending on their behaviour) and go off happy and grateful ...

... A Win-Win situation ....

(Ooohh BTW ... of prime importance is the confidence from knowing I am on the right side to start with .... )

[Bananiot]

I counted eleven (legs eleven, as they used to say in my local bingo club) "I"'s in the above and it occured to me that this is the kind of person this oracle is.

[Oracle]

I counted eleven (legs eleven, as they used to say in my local bingo club) "I"'s in the above and it occured to me that this is the kind of person this oracle is.

..... Oh do stop encouraging ME!

[Oracle]

I counted eleven (legs eleven, as they used to say in my local bingo club) "I"'s in the above and it occured to me that this is the kind of person this oracle is.

So you complain Oracle used 9 lines of writing with 11 uses of the word "I".

I do not know Kifeas, I can only guess. However, it was the proper thing to do, the moral thing to do, if you like. Of course you probably think that Turkey would have invaded anyway. You believe in kismet I suppose.

Above is a typical Bananiot response:

Has two lines, with 3 uses of "I" ... Therefore you say "I" 3/2 i.e. 1.5 times and Oracle used "I" 11/9 i.e. 1.2 times ....

[Bananiot]

Good try, but what is imoprtant is what comes after the "I" that gives the stigma to the "I". For example "I suppose" indicates an open minded person who is open to correction or even a change of mind.

[Jerry]

People, please stay positive. No need for slinging matches.

And Oracle, I have read many of your posts, and I do not want to criticise you but can I kindly request that you tone it down a little as I can not help but come to the conclusion that many of your posts are a little unconstructive in the present environment of optimism. The Cyprus problem will only be solved if both GCs and TCs discard the past and look forward to a better future. We must not engage into a blame game or return to anachronistic ideals.

This also applies to many others as well. Many of our TC friends on this forum can also tone down their language a little. If everyone remains positive, then we will have progress.

If by tone you mean do not counter incorrect posts with articles and facts, then no, I will not stop. You are impressive, but not enough to convince me, yet! ... your method is different to mine, that is all.

I am not a diplomat. But I am used to getting what I want. My style, though lacking in sophistication, has a high success rate. I don't like pretence and avoiding facing the worst case scenarios.

Basically, when crossed, I shame the opponent, pedantically criticise, never forget, shout and nag my demands for rectification. I have boundless energy when I get the bit between the teeth and hold on until the other side admits defeat.

...... That is when I negotiate what I am prepared to accept ... they usually receive more than they expected (depending on their behaviour) and go off happy and grateful ...

... A Win-Win situation ....

(Ooohh BTW ... of prime importance is the confidence from knowing I am on the right side to start with .... )

Oracle, the Cyprus Problem can only be solved by talking. Hurling abuse at the other side gets us nowhere, in fact visitors to this site that read your posts must take a pretty dim view of Greek Cypriots. You weaken our case by contiuously posting your hatred of Turks. Both sides are equally to blame (with the help of others) for the mess we are in so why don't you give it a rest for a while and support the talks, they are the last chance for an equitable solution.

[Oracle]

Good try, but what is imoprtant is what comes after the "I" that gives the stigma to the "I". For example "I suppose" indicates an open minded person who is open to correction or even a change of mind.

What comes out Bananiot is just how judgemental you truly are ... you make biased assumptions willy nilly ..... and I guess that is why your politics is so suspect.