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[shahmaran]

I don't recall anyone asking to have privileges OVER you, tho i have seen many "equal rights" floating about, or is that the one you are talking about?

Plus i don't think your analogy is entirely accurate.

Maybe if they were "electing" the class representative?

Also, does this class have a history of murdering each other?

[denizaksulu]

Wait let me get this straight, are you denying that there are various types of democracy?

If you're going to post stupid labels from the Wiki don't bother because as the link I posted earlier says...

Democracy may be a word familiar to most, but it is a concept still misunderstood and misused in a time when totalitarian regimes and military dictatorships alike have attempted to claim popular support by pinning democratic labels upon themselves.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm2.htm

GR, we have seen the American way of democracy in Iraq. They can keep it.

With all due respect to the plight of Iraq which I fully support, it's the DEFINITION of Democracy we are interested in Deniz, and not the author's nationality.

I hear you GR. But yesterday was the 5th Anniversary of Iraq War II. The news is full of coverage. Reporters are interviewing ordinary citizens. You can see the peole are definitely against any American imposed 'democracy'. At the moment I dont want to see any thing from the 'Mother of double standards' that is the US of b.....y A.

I am just finishing of the link re: 1931 you posted. Very interesting to say the least. I wonder if it is identical to any GC version.

Regards

[Get Real!]

I don't recall anyone asking to have privileges OVER you, tho i have seen many "equal rights" floating about, or is that the one you are talking about?

Shah, the “political equality” the TC people are constantly demanding IS a special privilege because it does TWO things…

1. Grants 2.5 times more vote per TC person.
2. Reduces to around 0.30 the vote of each GC.

If that’s not a very special privilege I don’t know what is.

Plus i don't think your analogy is entirely accurate.

Maybe if they were "electing" the class representative?

Also, does this class have a history of murdering each other?

Yes, the school has plenty of history of fights between the kids... ESPECIALLY when some are discriminated against!

[Viewpoint]

Shah,

Of course there are different shades of "Democracy" practiced by many nations, such as Egypt, where opposition leaders are jailed if they hold rallies or opposing views, but on election day, people vote for a President as they suppose to in a Democracy and each time it Mubarak wins. A bit like how Denktash managed to stay in power for 40 years really. It's more like dictatorship disguised as democracy so that they can get money from the USA and bend over at the same time to "Uncle Sam". Just one more way on how "democracy" can be corrupted. On the other hand, Americans will not accept such practices for themselves, but it is OK to push it on others. Cyprus being in the EU now, there cannot be anything but a True Democracy. If there were an agreed Partition and the "TRNC" became a legal country, I would like to believe you would choose True Democracy over what they practice in Egypt or Pakistan. If it's good enough for the "TRNC" as a country, why not to all Cypriots in Cyprus.

Because the shade of democracy you prmote will be adminsitered by the majority amd that will be the GCs whom due to our dark past we do not trust with our future. Thats why so many safeguards are required to ensure that neither side can freely manipulate democracy to the determent of anyone who shoudl live in a united Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

Shah,

Of course there are different shades of "Democracy" practiced by many nations, such as Egypt, where opposition leaders are jailed if they hold rallies or opposing views, but on election day, people vote for a President as they suppose to in a Democracy and each time it Mubarak wins. A bit like how Denktash managed to stay in power for 40 years really. It's more like dictatorship disguised as democracy so that they can get money from the USA and bend over at the same time to "Uncle Sam". Just one more way on how "democracy" can be corrupted. On the other hand, Americans will not accept such practices for themselves, but it is OK to push it on others. Cyprus being in the EU now, there cannot be anything but a True Democracy. If there were an agreed Partition and the "TRNC" became a legal country, I would like to believe you would choose True Democracy over what they practice in Egypt or Pakistan. If it's good enough for the "TRNC" as a country, why not to all Cypriots in Cyprus.

Because the shade of democracy you prmote will be adminsitered by the majority amd that will be the GCs whom due to our dark past we do not trust with our future. Thats why so many safeguards are required to ensure that neither side can freely manipulate democracy to the determent of anyone who shoudl live in a united Cyprus.

So, in your view VP, True Democracy only works for the "minority" if they get to;

a) have 50% power
b) have a veto power
c) create a state on others land
d) discriminate on other citizens in having any political say in that state

Once all these are given to the "minority", what is left of True Democracy.???

[shahmaran]

How can you ever have "True Democracy" between ethnic groups which have huge size differences and have a dark past like we do?

[Oracle]

How can you ever have "True Democracy" between ethnic groups which have huge size differences and have a dark past like we do?

Possession of a distinct "Ethnicity" is not a prerequisite for practicing Democracy ....

You can't seem to shake off those divisory labels ...

[Viewpoint]

Shah,

Of course there are different shades of "Democracy" practiced by many nations, such as Egypt, where opposition leaders are jailed if they hold rallies or opposing views, but on election day, people vote for a President as they suppose to in a Democracy and each time it Mubarak wins. A bit like how Denktash managed to stay in power for 40 years really. It's more like dictatorship disguised as democracy so that they can get money from the USA and bend over at the same time to "Uncle Sam". Just one more way on how "democracy" can be corrupted. On the other hand, Americans will not accept such practices for themselves, but it is OK to push it on others. Cyprus being in the EU now, there cannot be anything but a True Democracy. If there were an agreed Partition and the "TRNC" became a legal country, I would like to believe you would choose True Democracy over what they practice in Egypt or Pakistan. If it's good enough for the "TRNC" as a country, why not to all Cypriots in Cyprus.

Because the shade of democracy you prmote will be adminsitered by the majority amd that will be the GCs whom due to our dark past we do not trust with our future. Thats why so many safeguards are required to ensure that neither side can freely manipulate democracy to the determent of anyone who shoudl live in a united Cyprus.

So, in your view VP, True Democracy only works for the "minority" if they get to;

a) have 50% power
b) have a veto power
c) create a state on others land
d) discriminate on other citizens in having any political say in that state

Once all these are given to the "minority", what is left of True Democracy.???

There is room for adjustment on the basic principles of the "New Plan" for example,

a) Shared power as 2 equal constituent states.
b) The right to veto for both states on sensitive issues effecting one state more negatively than the other.
c) Create 2 states where everyone can roam and settle freely.
d) A balance of representation can be struck whereby local representatives councils have to be made up of both GCs and TCs, just like future mixed political parties.

[Nurgary]

Get real - can you please explain what you mean by special privelrgrs?

[humanist]

Shahmaran

Well you seem to think equal power share is "undemocratic and anti-Cypriot", when democracy can be executed in various ways, and so far "Cypriotism" has proved to be nothing more than a fight for power and the removal of the rights of your fellow men.

Shahmaran, do you know there are GC's living in Rizokarpaso? Would you say they are a minority group? Do you feel it is fair, just and democratic that they have been stripped of their land by the TC leadership, even though they are still residing in their villages and had never left after the Turkish invasion?

Or is .5% of the population as a minority group does not count but 18% minority group is much more worthy of power share. Would the trnc ever allow even one of theose GC of Rizokarpaso to enter the political arena?

Your honest response will be appreciated