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[Viewpoint]

Hey Viewpoint,

It takes a lot of maturity to trust. Are you big enough to let go of the past and move forward for a better future for your kids.

Fortunately, the younger generations of today are very mature, and I doubt that they will make the same mistakes of the past. It is time to move forward.

It is also not a question of minority versus majority. The 2 communities can intgrate to form one strong nation called Cyprus with only Cypriot citizens. We must remember that the year is 2008, and diversity is a good thing. In Australia (a very diverse nation) Greeks and Turks live together. Not one bit of violence. Many are even friends. This is the proof. No one wants war and pain. We all want bright futures, prosperity and our health.

I think the young generation dont give a shit about reunification, half of them dont even have a clue of whats going on, they are more interested in a high standard of living supplied to them by their parents and the opposite sex.

As for trust I agree it is the key, becuase there is no trust we demand structures to provide what is naturally found in other countries. But our experiencies tell us that GCs do not have our best interests at heart and being the numerical larger community they will swamp the country leaving us at their mercy. Will you fight for my child when he is discriminated against, when the government organs are run by GCs? but the underlying tones maybe discriminaiton which can be dressed to look like democracy, where will the GCs be then while I am fight for my rights in the corridors of the ECHR???

Viewpoint,

I understand your point of view. However, Cyprus is now a member of the EU and the principles that the EU are founded are of equal opportunity for all in a democratic society, free movement and a free market. If a solution is founded, and I really hope it is, then all citizens rights can and should be protected constitutionally. Mechanisms should be put in place where TCs can enjoy employment in Cyprus' high offices of the public service, employment within the defence forces and police etc etc. TCs should also be protected and assisted in opening their own ventures if they so desire. Some ventures can also be done jointly with GCs.

I do not believe that GCs will want to swamp the TCs. I beleive GCs and TCs would be more interested in nation building and creating a good standard of living.

If your child is discriminated against, then yes, I will join you in your fight for justice and I beleive that most GCs will do the same. And a portion of Cyprus' organs as stated above will also be TC as they must be inducted into public service departments, military and police positions etc.

Thats what we are asking for a structure that will ensure all these are done and not swept under the carpet, we will nto enter any agreements were the GCs are allowed the opportunity to dominate anc discrminate against us in any shape or form. If all the deciding bodies all over a united Cyprus are GCs then this will allow them to manipulate the system and discriminate without hinderence.

I do beleive that if a solution is founded, then all these structures will be put in place. There is no reason why TCs can not enjoy the same rights as GCs. If you look at the RoC at the moment, we have a number of minority coomunities such as Latin, Maronites and Armenians. They enjoy the same rights as GCs. Some have great jobs and they all enjoy the same standard of living as GCs with free higher education as well. Even the President of the Cyprus parliiament is Armenian.

According to EU doctrine, even gay rights must be protected. Occasionally Cyprus falls foul of this as we are sometimes not so tolerant of our gay community, but things are improving all the time.

I think we can build a tolerant community. Other countries have done it with success. Belgium, Australia, New Zealand and Canada are good examples of this. I beleive we can be just as mature as these countries.

What are the scales of these minorities? they are miniscule compared to what we would represent over 20% if 20-30% are going to be TCs can you imagine the opportunity for GC to provide for their own; I still do not believe either side has the maturity to pick the using the "best man" for the job principles, somewhere and if allowed a committe/body made up of purely GCs will go along ethnic lines. These are our fears and just saying well the EU has this wriiten down in law is not enough we need precise rules and regulations that will never allow this to happen.

[iceman]

The gathering is about finding a solution for unity, not about blaming and racist justifications of the incidents, i think Phoenix might feel kind of "out of place" there

Just as well.....they will probably give her a good hiding if she turns up with her usual self...

[Paphitis]

Hey Viewpoint,

It takes a lot of maturity to trust. Are you big enough to let go of the past and move forward for a better future for your kids.

Fortunately, the younger generations of today are very mature, and I doubt that they will make the same mistakes of the past. It is time to move forward.

It is also not a question of minority versus majority. The 2 communities can intgrate to form one strong nation called Cyprus with only Cypriot citizens. We must remember that the year is 2008, and diversity is a good thing. In Australia (a very diverse nation) Greeks and Turks live together. Not one bit of violence. Many are even friends. This is the proof. No one wants war and pain. We all want bright futures, prosperity and our health.

I think the young generation dont give a shit about reunification, half of them dont even have a clue of whats going on, they are more interested in a high standard of living supplied to them by their parents and the opposite sex.

As for trust I agree it is the key, becuase there is no trust we demand structures to provide what is naturally found in other countries. But our experiencies tell us that GCs do not have our best interests at heart and being the numerical larger community they will swamp the country leaving us at their mercy. Will you fight for my child when he is discriminated against, when the government organs are run by GCs? but the underlying tones maybe discriminaiton which can be dressed to look like democracy, where will the GCs be then while I am fight for my rights in the corridors of the ECHR???

Viewpoint,

I understand your point of view. However, Cyprus is now a member of the EU and the principles that the EU are founded are of equal opportunity for all in a democratic society, free movement and a free market. If a solution is founded, and I really hope it is, then all citizens rights can and should be protected constitutionally. Mechanisms should be put in place where TCs can enjoy employment in Cyprus' high offices of the public service, employment within the defence forces and police etc etc. TCs should also be protected and assisted in opening their own ventures if they so desire. Some ventures can also be done jointly with GCs.

I do not believe that GCs will want to swamp the TCs. I beleive GCs and TCs would be more interested in nation building and creating a good standard of living.

If your child is discriminated against, then yes, I will join you in your fight for justice and I beleive that most GCs will do the same. And a portion of Cyprus' organs as stated above will also be TC as they must be inducted into public service departments, military and police positions etc.

Thats what we are asking for a structure that will ensure all these are done and not swept under the carpet, we will nto enter any agreements were the GCs are allowed the opportunity to dominate anc discrminate against us in any shape or form. If all the deciding bodies all over a united Cyprus are GCs then this will allow them to manipulate the system and discriminate without hinderence.

I do beleive that if a solution is founded, then all these structures will be put in place. There is no reason why TCs can not enjoy the same rights as GCs. If you look at the RoC at the moment, we have a number of minority coomunities such as Latin, Maronites and Armenians. They enjoy the same rights as GCs. Some have great jobs and they all enjoy the same standard of living as GCs with free higher education as well. Even the President of the Cyprus parliiament is Armenian.

According to EU doctrine, even gay rights must be protected. Occasionally Cyprus falls foul of this as we are sometimes not so tolerant of our gay community, but things are improving all the time.

I think we can build a tolerant community. Other countries have done it with success. Belgium, Australia, New Zealand and Canada are good examples of this. I beleive we can be just as mature as these countries.

What are the scales of these minorities? they are miniscule compared to what we would represent over 20% if 20-30% are going to be TCs can you imagine the opportunity for GC to provide for their own; I still do not believe either side has the maturity to pick the using the "best man" for the job principles, somewhere and if allowed a committe/body made up of purely GCs will go along ethnic lines. These are our fears and just saying well the EU has this wriiten down in law is not enough we need precise rules and regulations that will never allow this to happen.

The scales of these minorities are pretty miniscule. I merely put it forward as an example that it is possible to have the correct constitutional structures which allow equal opportunity and equal rights for all. Also, all public bodies should be proportionately composed of individuals which represent the TC community. All government departments can also have quotas where a minimum amount of positions, both senior and non senior must be composed of TC work force. Any solution would include the precise regulations to ensure that everyone gets a piece of the pie. No committees should be made up of entirely GCs or TCs. We can also have TC ministers, MPs and heads of government. I also beleive that the EU will ensure that all this happens.

Viewpoint, I too can say that I fear a solution as we have also suffered at the hands of TCs. But I have decided to bight the bullet and forgive, and trust once more. To do anything else will condemn us all. The island will remain partitioned. I do not think that this is in our interest.

We can only try and move forward. I disagree with you about us GCs not having the maturity to make it work.

[Kikapu]

Until yesterday, our version of history, of what happened in December 1963 was one of Turkish mutiny (Tourkantarsia, in Greek). Speaking at a press conference, President Christofias admitted yesterday that both communities must equally be blamed for the 1963 events which laid the foundations for our predicament today. This is unheard of, a Greek Cypriot leader, to accept the share of blame of his community in the events that marked our most recent past.

Christofias has gained my appreciation with this bold move. If Talat can be equally compromising then perhaps we may get a last shot at solving this long-lasting dispute in the best possible manner.

Here we go, Christofias has thrown down the gauntlet as to how the meetings going to take shape and for things to come. He has taken some of the blame on behalf of the GC for the Cyprus Problems. He has preempted any accusation of not taking any blame that may be thrown at him from anyone before the meetings starts, and try to accuse him of not being sincere for peace. Now he has shown, that he wants an HONEST and FAIR solution for Cyprus. He has now put the whole
INTEGRITY and HONESTY of the meetings squarely on Talat's shoulders to do the same and accept some responsibility of blame on behalf of the TC's. Talat is probably in a state of shock and did not see this coming, because for the last 2 weeks, it has been nothing but BBF this and BBF that and UN this and UN that from any Tom, Dick and Mary from the "TRNC", including the teachers Union boss yesterday. I'm sure Talat is working the phones as to what his response should be.

I get the strong feeling, that Christofias is a good CHESS player. I'm sure something he learned in the Soviet Union. I hope Talat can play the game also. As the old saying goes, "be careful what you ask for, because you might just get it". TC's complained about PapaD not meeting with them enough, and now, Christofias may be willing to meet as much as it takes and talk Talat's ear off. Lets see if Talats going to say at some point "Enough Already".??

I hope not.!!

[purdey]

I admire your willingness to share Paphitas.Unfortunately it is not working to well at the moment with other EU nationals never mind the rest of the inhabitants of Cyprus.
The EU will get stuck in a a few years, but at the moment seem reluctant to get involved. Maybe in 20 years you will find EU nationals dominate the Cypriot market and full sharing will be administered by rule of law.

[denizaksulu]

Oracle, be there!

ΚΑΛΕΣΜΑ ΠΡΟΣ ΟΛΕΣ ΤΙΣ ΓΥΝΑΙΚΕΣ ΤΗΣ ΚΥΠΡΟΥ

Γυναίκες από όλες τις Κοινότητες της Κύπρου, ας συγκεντρωθούμε στο τόπο της πρώτης συνάντησης των ηγετών των δύο κοινοτήτων και με τη δυναμική μας παρουσία, ας δηλώσουμε δυνατά και ξεκάθαρα την θέληση μας για λύση και επανένωση του τόπου μας.

Η εκδήλωση θα λάβει μέρος, στις 21 Μαρτίου 2008, η ώρα 9.00 πμ στην είσοδο του αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας.

ΟΜΑΔΑ ΠΡΩΤΟΒΟΥΛΙΑΣ ΓΥΝΑΙΚΩΝ

KIBRIS’TAKİ BÜTÜN KADINLARA ÇAĞRI

Kıbrıs’taki her toplumundan kadınlar, iki toplum liderlerinin ilk buluşacağı yerde, biz de toplanalım ve çözüm ve ülkemizin yeniden birleştirilmesini isteğimizi yüksek sesle ve açıkça bildirelim.

Olay 21 Mart 2008, sabah saat 9:00’da, Lefkoşa havaalanının kapısında yer alacak.

KADIN İNİSİYATİF GRUBU

TO ALL CYPRIOT WOMEN

Women from all communities of Cyprus, we call upon you to gather in big numbers during the first meeting of the leaders of the two communities of Cyprus, and with our dynamic presence to declare clearly and loudly our strong will for solution and reunification of our country.

The event will take place on 21st March 2008, at 9.00am at the entrance of the airport of Nicosia (UN Headquarters).

Ad hoc committee of women

I wonder what idiot wrote the Turkish version. Is that the best they could come up with?

[wallace]

I do not read Turkish. Does it say anything different from the English and the Greek version?

[Paphitis]

Guys, there is much to be gained from a solution. They include the following:

A free united Cyprus,
Equal rights for all,
Economic prosperity of all citizens,
Jobs for all citizens,
Social welfare for all citizens,
A functional health system for all citizens,
Free education for all citizens,
A more stable island,
Security for all citizens,
All citizens being a part of the EU,
Withdrawal of Turkish and Greek troops,
Amalgamation of all cultural, sporting and philanthropic societies,
Full accession of Turkey in the EU, which Cyprus will support,
Normalisation of relations between Cyprus and Turkey,
Security and peace in the region,
Trade between Cyprus and Turkey,
Investment between Cyprus and Turkey,
Normalisation of relations between Greece and Turkey,
Cyprus becomming a NATO ally (atleast that is what I hope for as it will further aide the security of the region),
Greece, Turkey and Cyprus finally becomming friendly to each other,
The return of lost property to both GCs and TCs, and
A strong and vibrant nation.

Everyone can have their win.

That said, can we afford not to have a solution?

Maybe I am too romantic in this world which is far from perfect. But I still have hope.

Anyway, it is time for me to retire to my bed. Goodnight everyone. And may tomorrow be the day where things start to look up for Cyprus.

[denizaksulu]

I do not read Turkish. Does it say anything different from the English and the Greek version?

Is so obvious that it was written by a none Turkish Cypriot. Not even in Kibrislica/Gibreaga. However not sure of the womens groups mentioned. The two groups mentioned, are they different groups or is one the translation of the other? A bit obscure.

[pantheman]

personally, Talat is the wrong person for Christofias to be talking for a solution the Cyprob.

He should be talking directly to the boss, Turkey. Talat has no clout, he is just a middleman with no real say.

Sorry TC community, but you know what I am saying is true. The hand that feeds you is Turkey and therefore will dictate what gets said and done.

IMHO, its a waste of the president Christofias time to be talking to a puppet, we need to be talking to the real deal, Turkey.

Bring in General bayuk.... (sorry about spelling I can never get his name right, but you know who I mean) and lets talk business with him. He is the one who has the clout. Erdrogan and his other clowns don't even come close to the general.

So, when shall I make the appointment for????

Someone want to call the general up????