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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:21 am

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wallace wrote:Why didn't they occupie the SBA's? :D



It was not planned, I suppose. They did enter the area and a new battle front nearly opened. They pulled back in the nick of time when they realised where they were. I think it was the momentum of the push. No one opposing them till they saw the Union Jack and the Gurkhas..


It was bloody obvious, the British were in it with them. The dozy turks went there in error. If they had tried it on then the British would have HAD to get involved, but they only wanted the be the stirrers of the conflict, not to actually get involved.

Its a bit of a coincidence, don't you think that they invasion stopped at the same profile as the road that leads from dhekelia - St Nick. This is "British territory" and we can't have that can we ????



If they were in it together, then they would have allowed the tanks free passage to Larnaca. They went according to pre-drawn plans. Its easy to say they were in it together after the fact.


Deniz, come on, you know what happened right? This was part of the Divide and Rule tactic, please don't insult our intelligence on this. Even the British Government themselves have admitted this, just read the archives.

If Britain really wanted to they could have prevented this, you know that, but they chose to bury their heads and let the rotweiler lose so that they could retain their own interests.

Even Kissengers words to your then prime minister were, "you take the island and we'll get yoyu a solution" thats how sure he was. This sort of operation does not just fall out of the sky, the UK and US have invested heavily in intelligence and they were not going to get caught with their pants down.

No sir, this was premeditaed, preplanned and executed with the full knowledge of the UK and US governments. Simple, anything else is pure BS.



Turkey must have had contingency plans for any event that might take place. Ofcourse, the UK could have prevented this. They could have intervened together. I canenot see why not, but like you say, they might have been in it together, but still does not make sense. Why allow the bloodshed and destruction, which would have been a result of an intervention. I think UK grossly miscalculated. Or do you think that the GCs were expected to greet the Turkish army with oen arms?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:35 am

denizaksulu wrote:
pantheman wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
pantheman wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
wallace wrote:Why didn't they occupie the SBA's? :D



It was not planned, I suppose. They did enter the area and a new battle front nearly opened. They pulled back in the nick of time when they realised where they were. I think it was the momentum of the push. No one opposing them till they saw the Union Jack and the Gurkhas..


It was bloody obvious, the British were in it with them. The dozy turks went there in error. If they had tried it on then the British would have HAD to get involved, but they only wanted the be the stirrers of the conflict, not to actually get involved.

Its a bit of a coincidence, don't you think that they invasion stopped at the same profile as the road that leads from dhekelia - St Nick. This is "British territory" and we can't have that can we ????



If they were in it together, then they would have allowed the tanks free passage to Larnaca. They went according to pre-drawn plans. Its easy to say they were in it together after the fact.


Deniz, come on, you know what happened right? This was part of the Divide and Rule tactic, please don't insult our intelligence on this. Even the British Government themselves have admitted this, just read the archives.

If Britain really wanted to they could have prevented this, you know that, but they chose to bury their heads and let the rotweiler lose so that they could retain their own interests.

Even Kissengers words to your then prime minister were, "you take the island and we'll get yoyu a solution" thats how sure he was. This sort of operation does not just fall out of the sky, the UK and US have invested heavily in intelligence and they were not going to get caught with their pants down.

No sir, this was premeditaed, preplanned and executed with the full knowledge of the UK and US governments. Simple, anything else is pure BS.



Turkey must have had contingency plans for any event that might take place. Ofcourse, the UK could have prevented this. They could have intervened together. I canenot see why not, but like you say, they might have been in it together, but still does not make sense. Why allow the bloodshed and destruction, which would have been a result of an intervention. I think UK grossly miscalculated. Or do you think that the GCs were expected to greet the Turkish army with oen arms?

Deniz, the October 1931 riots were a major turning point for the British in the way they looked at Cyprus because it seems that up to that time they were clueless that the majority of GCs weren’t really happy about the British being in Cyprus but wanted to unite with Greece. This dispatch from the Governor of Cyprus to the Secretary of State for the Colonies gives you a good account (albeit long) of the happenings if you’re interested…

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Disturban ... 0159507414

I'm quite certain that after the October 31 disturbances Britain never looked at Cyprus the same again.
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Postby zan » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:47 am

Could there have been the possibility that they were trying to prevent a war between Greece and Turkey???
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:55 am

zan wrote:Could there have been the possibility that they were trying to prevent a war between Greece and Turkey???

There is not a doubt that one of the US's major concerns is to avert any military confrontation between NATO members. After the Turkish invasion the US had to "pay" Greece with considerable military hardware and technologies of the day in order for them to keep their cool (supposedly)... and I assure you the Greeks milked it for all it was worth because in all honesty the military junta was in no military position to confront Turkey at the time.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:54 am

Turkey invaded Cyprus knowing full well that the demoralized Greek junta would not intervene and that a full scale war with Greece was unlikely. The Greek junta collapsed from day one of the invasion , which by their earlier actions was encouraged .
Only Britain and the US could have successfully averted the planned invasion , Britain had a labour government with Harold as its PM , and Harold was NO Thacher , he was to preoccupied with his fear of a military coup against him when in July of 1974 the British army took over Heathrow airport as an exercise against possible IRA attack. Wilson was convinced that this was the start of a military take over !!! He had no time for little old Cyprus .
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:32 am

TIME wrote:On the island, the invading Turks continued to pour men and equipment into their corridor between Kyrenia and Nicosia. By week's end the Turkish force was estimated at 30,000 men backed by 300 tanks. In political talks in Geneva, the Turkish government delayed attempts to scale down its Cyprus force and took advantage of the situation by broadening its Kyrenian beachhead in open defiance of a ceasefire agreement.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:35 am

TIME wrote:small Greek forces continued to hold out against overwhelming Turkish power. Skirmishes raged round the Kyrenia area as ill-equipped Greeks defended such small Greek Cypriot villages as Karavas, Lapithos and Agridhaki. High on Mount Kyparissovouno, nine miles west of Kyrenia, mortar shells ignited massive forest fires.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:37 am

TIME wrote:When they were not breaking the ceasefire, some Turkish troops systematically looted shops and homes in Kyrenia, a former Greek Cypriot enclave
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:38 am

TIME wrote:The Turks refused to obey peacekeeping orders from blue-helmeted U.N. troops. They made U.N. soldiers leave Turkish enclaves and forbade them to bring food to Greek refugees in Kyrenia
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:41 am

TIME wrote:Britain, Greece and Turkey—completed the first round during six days of lengthy discussions at the U.N.'s Palais des Nations. They agreed to a basic declaration that largely favored Turkey by allowing it to keep its troops in Cyprus and also reiterated a cease-fire plan worked out at the U.N.
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