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[Paphitis]

VP said re racism: "are you blind or illiterate, its all over the forum."

Well, show me one instance when a TC has said that GCs are reacially inferior or the other way round. Saying GCs are liars, in a political sense, is not the same as saying they are genetically inferior. I have been called aliar often enough by Eric and Big Al, were those racist comments then?

And please do not use Oracle's posts as an example, she deliberately goads people using all means.

You expect me to go through the whole forum and point out the number of times Turks have been called scum just for being Turkish, attach the usage of Mongolian desent, Anatolian settlers and thieving Turks and you will get a flavor of the GC racism you choose to ignore.

In both communities there seem to be a small percentage (probably around 10% or so) who are very nationalistic and racist. This portion of both coomunities seem to be shrinking all the time as we both mature and realise that nothing is gained from violence and hatred. This only inflicts pain and sadness.

Unfortunately, this forum seems to have a high number of nationalistic racists hence the low quality of many posts. That is because, these thugs have nothing better to do (like work) and populate this forum with messages of hatred. In real society (families and the working masses), this hatred is not prevalent in GC society.

We all need to stay positive and build a strong future together. We can not remain in fear of each other, because we will then gain nothing. We will all lose a lot.

[Nikitas]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

[Viewpoint]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

[Paphitis]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

This is not the case in Cyprus today. In Cyprus now we have, Turkish Cypriots that live south of the Green line, Russians, Sri Lankans, Bulgarians, loads of British, Pakistanis, Latin, Maronite, Armenian, some French, some Germans, and some Swedes. The Cyprus of the 70s is long gone. Things have changed a lot, and Cyprus is getting as diverse as Australia, US and Canada. It is becomming a melting pot and racism is fast disappearing. The last remnants of racism will die when the older generations pass and are replaced with the younger generations. And I am not generalisisng that all older people are racist, only a minority may be.

[Viewpoint]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

This is not the case in Cyprus today. In Cyprus now we have, Turkish Cypriots that live south of the Green line, Russians, Sri Lankans, Bulgarians, loads of British, Pakistanis, Latin, Maronite, Armenian, some French, some Germans, and some Swedes. The Cyprus of the 70s is long gone. Things have changed a lot, and Cyprus is getting as diverse as Australia, US and Canada. It is becomming a melting pot and racism is fast disappearing. The last remnants of racism will die when the older generations pass and are replaced with the younger generations. And I am not generalisisng that all older people are racist, only a minority may be.

This remains to be seen as you are still having problems with "melting" Pontians and Sri Lanken, Indians etc as you see them as inferior just like you did the TCs back in the 1960s and 1970s and to some extent today.

[wallace]

Hey VP.......why do you see everything so negative? There is 2 leaders sitting around a table at this moment who are talking about the future of our beautifull island and the only thing you can do is being negative and keep on referring the past. It's people like you who are trying to justify a partition. Show me 1 of your posts were you are just a little postive?????

[Oracle]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

This is not the case in Cyprus today. In Cyprus now we have, Turkish Cypriots that live south of the Green line, Russians, Sri Lankans, Bulgarians, loads of British, Pakistanis, Latin, Maronite, Armenian, some French, some Germans, and some Swedes. The Cyprus of the 70s is long gone. Things have changed a lot, and Cyprus is getting as diverse as Australia, US and Canada. It is becomming a melting pot and racism is fast disappearing. The last remnants of racism will die when the older generations pass and are replaced with the younger generations. And I am not generalisisng that all older people are racist, only a minority may be.

Paphitis have you read Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"? ......

[Viewpoint]

Hey VP.......why do you see everything so negative? There is 2 leaders sitting around a table at this moment who are talking about the future of our beautifull island and the only thing you can do is being negative and keep on referring the past. It's people like you who are trying to justify a partition. Show me 1 of your posts were you are just a little postive?????

There are many you have obviously not read any as you are new to the forum. I am realist I gave up after the referendum and do not expect anything to come of this round of talks as we have been there so many times and our last attempt was the only time we had a real opportunity to resolve matters, we all lived through what happened what suits one side does not suit the other, how do you expect to agree anything?

[Paphitis]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

This is not the case in Cyprus today. In Cyprus now we have, Turkish Cypriots that live south of the Green line, Russians, Sri Lankans, Bulgarians, loads of British, Pakistanis, Latin, Maronite, Armenian, some French, some Germans, and some Swedes. The Cyprus of the 70s is long gone. Things have changed a lot, and Cyprus is getting as diverse as Australia, US and Canada. It is becomming a melting pot and racism is fast disappearing. The last remnants of racism will die when the older generations pass and are replaced with the younger generations. And I am not generalisisng that all older people are racist, only a minority may be.

Paphitis have you read Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"? ......

No I have not. I might look it up.

But I am an evolutionist.

[Oracle]

VP,

There are nicknames used to express anger, ie calling the people who took over our property in the north thieves, which is way off regarding them as racially inferior. Maybe I am confused, but as far as I recall we never had in Cyprus cafes divided in two areas, one for GCs one for TCs, or separate seats on buses etc. On the contrary, we had plenty of mixed villages and neighborhoods.

Now let me offer a couple of examples. In the Spanish civil war the republicans fought the fascists and hundreds of thousands were killed. In Greece in 1946 there was a civil war between communists and the government and 600 000 were killed. Obviously the two sides hated each other, but I do not see that as being reason to call this dislike racism.

In Cyprus we had a civil war, which happened to have been on ethnic as well as political lines. Is that reason to claim that the cause of this civil war was racism?

If you insist on finding some linstitutional racist elements in this conflict then the only one I can find is the article of the TRNC constitution which attempted to confiscate GC property.

Have you been to Pile? everything is divided between TCs and GCs, were you around in the 1970s when TCs could not use certain beaches for fear of being attacked both verbally and physically, just a few examples of how we lived together in the past that does not fit in with your stereo type.

This is not the case in Cyprus today. In Cyprus now we have, Turkish Cypriots that live south of the Green line, Russians, Sri Lankans, Bulgarians, loads of British, Pakistanis, Latin, Maronite, Armenian, some French, some Germans, and some Swedes. The Cyprus of the 70s is long gone. Things have changed a lot, and Cyprus is getting as diverse as Australia, US and Canada. It is becomming a melting pot and racism is fast disappearing. The last remnants of racism will die when the older generations pass and are replaced with the younger generations. And I am not generalisisng that all older people are racist, only a minority may be.

Paphitis have you read Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"? ......

No I have not. I might look it up.

But I am an evolutionist.

The take home message from Kuhn, is that for ideas to take hold or be dropped from cultural acceptance, the older generation has to be replaced. So effectively there is an evolution from generation to generation.