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[Viewpoint]

"Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages."

This is one of the most offensice posts ever on this forum. When have you seen stereotyping in here, even by people like Big Al who tends to lose his cool more easily than the rest of us, or any expression that the TCs are inferior savages of the GCs liars. as a generalisation? There have been personal attacks but never a racial insult that I can recall. The only time that has happened has been by GCs against GCs or Greeks.

are you blind or illiterate, its all over the forum.

[Oracle]

The advance halted on a line which was almost precisely the one proposed by Turkey as the demarcation of partition in 1965. This line has come to be known as the Attila line, named after the military codename "Attila" which Turkey gave to the invasion operation, thereby identifying it with the chieftain of the Huns known as "the scourge of God".

As a result, 200.000 Greek Cypriots were made refugees in their own country and 70% of the economic potential of Cyprus came under military occupation. Moreover, thousands of people, including civilians, were killed or ill-treated by the Turkish invaders.

There are still 1.619 Greek Cypriots missing as a result of the Turkish invasion, many of whom were held in Turkish custody. Following the invasion the Turkish government embarked on a policy of bringing in large numbers of Anatolian settlers into the occupied areas, while at the same time systematically expelling the legal Greek Cypriot inhabitants from their homes. Currently about 500 mostly elderly people remain enclaved in the occupied area.

Why should we trust Turkey ....

[Expatkiwi]

"Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages."

This is one of the most offensice posts ever on this forum. When have you seen stereotyping in here, even by people like Big Al who tends to lose his cool more easily than the rest of us, or any expression that the TCs are inferior savages of the GCs liars. as a generalisation? There have been personal attacks but never a racial insult that I can recall. The only time that has happened has been by GCs against GCs or Greeks.

And I thought that you were one of the smarter ones on this forum, Nikitas. Looks like I badly misjudged you. RACE is the dominant issue here: Greek vs Turk. Just read Oracle's posts...

The moral of the story is: without racial tolerance, there is not going to be any national reconciliation. If you want to prove me wrong, then start treating Turkish Cypriots as human beings.

[Oracle]

"Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages."

This is one of the most offensice posts ever on this forum. When have you seen stereotyping in here, even by people like Big Al who tends to lose his cool more easily than the rest of us, or any expression that the TCs are inferior savages of the GCs liars. as a generalisation? There have been personal attacks but never a racial insult that I can recall. The only time that has happened has been by GCs against GCs or Greeks.

And I thought that you were one of the smarter ones on this forum, Nikitas. Looks like I badly misjudged you. RACE is the dominant issue here: Greek vs Turk. Just read Oracle's posts...

The moral of the story is: without racial tolerance, there is not going to be any national reconciliation. If you want to prove me wrong, then start treating Turkish Cypriots as human beings.

Expatkiwi ... are you suggesting the Turks and the Greeks are different races ..... ?

Man ... you do not have a clue ...

[zan]

GR are TCs expected to support their own demise, firstly you wanted Cyprus to be a Greek island, then you wanted to gift it to Greece, then you decided you didn't want us in government, then you persecuted and discriminated against our community, do you really expect us to support all this crap in support of Cyprus and dig our own graves?

That is the basis of GRs whole thinking......We are inferior and he has asked, directly, that we do not fight against that "Fact"......

[Expatkiwi]

"Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages."

This is one of the most offensice posts ever on this forum. When have you seen stereotyping in here, even by people like Big Al who tends to lose his cool more easily than the rest of us, or any expression that the TCs are inferior savages of the GCs liars. as a generalisation? There have been personal attacks but never a racial insult that I can recall. The only time that has happened has been by GCs against GCs or Greeks.

And I thought that you were one of the smarter ones on this forum, Nikitas. Looks like I badly misjudged you. RACE is the dominant issue here: Greek vs Turk. Just read Oracle's posts...

The moral of the story is: without racial tolerance, there is not going to be any national reconciliation. If you want to prove me wrong, then start treating Turkish Cypriots as human beings.

Expatkiwi ... are you suggesting the Turks and the Greeks are different races ..... ?

Man ... you do not have a clue ...

And you don't have a reconciling bone in your body. YOU treat the Turk as a different race of people aplenty in your posts. Don't try and use semantics in order to deny THAT. The Greek people have a proud history, but that history has been tainted - and still is - by strong xenophobic tendancies, which you have exhibited. It is little wonder that the term 'Barbarian' is Greek (another word for all non-Greek speakers, I believe...)

[Nikitas]

VP said re racism: "are you blind or illiterate, its all over the forum."

Well, show me one instance when a TC has said that GCs are reacially inferior or the other way round. Saying GCs are liars, in a political sense, is not the same as saying they are genetically inferior. I have been called aliar often enough by Eric and Big Al, were those racist comments then?

And please do not use Oracle's posts as an example, she deliberately goads people using all means.

[Paphitis]

Okay, Folks.

Varios threads have been talking about the dynamic being changed on the island due to EU membership, and thus fears of enosis by the Turkish north are no longer valid. The problem is that the historical emnity between the Turks and the Greeks is still there. The intercommunal strife of the sixties and seventies can also not simply be forgotten.

Now, this is going to surprise a lot of my GC adversaries, but there is a lot of merit in what you say. EU membership is an advantage for all, and the talking about respecting full democratic rights (i.e., numbers), without special perks for any one group - if sincerely followed- would be ensuring democracy.

The problem is - and this is why I favor partiton - is that historical emnity is a beast not easilly tamed. The Turkish Cypriot people feel themselves under siege. All it takes is for hotheads on either side to attack the other group, and its going to flare up again.

Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages. I havwe a number of Turkish and Turkish Cypriot friends, and I regard that attitide as - at best - an insult to them, and to me.

So, the question is this: How can the Turkish Cypriots be pursuaded to drop their fears about reunification? The rejection of the Anan Plan by the Greek Cypriots certainly did not help in this regard. It just perpetuates the mistrust and insincerity of both sides to compromise.

TCs can trust the GCs once more. I think both communities have changed from the anachronistic 50s, 60s and 70s. Cyprus is now a member of the EU and much more prosperous than ever before. Most people do not want war. The young of today are more interested in the opposite sex, working in good jobs and creating wealth. No one wants war. We all want security and stability. And thats all.

The GCs rejected the Anan Plan because of concerns of their security. It was not a rejection for a solution of the Cyprus question. It was not a rejection to unify with our TC compatriots.

Guys, we need to stay positive and look forward to building a bright future for all.

[Viewpoint]

VP said re racism: "are you blind or illiterate, its all over the forum."

Well, show me one instance when a TC has said that GCs are reacially inferior or the other way round. Saying GCs are liars, in a political sense, is not the same as saying they are genetically inferior. I have been called aliar often enough by Eric and Big Al, were those racist comments then?

And please do not use Oracle's posts as an example, she deliberately goads people using all means.

You expect me to go through the whole forum and point out the number of times Turks have been called scum just for being Turkish, attach the usage of Mongolian desent, Anatolian settlers and thieving Turks and you will get a flavor of the GC racism you choose to ignore.

[Paphitis]

Expat

I agree with what you say but must insist, as I did on the ATCA forum when I first joined, that you specify that it is the GC administration that is a threat to us...The rest have the superiority complex as you say but I am afraid that is a Cypriot thing..

Zan, The Greek Cypriots are the main threat. I do agree with that. They have to convince the Turkish Cypriots that they are not a threat, and THAT is going to take some doing. That recent event where Turkish Cypriots in the south were attacked by Greek Cypriot soccer fans, and that the police in the south were not investigating the complaint is a good example of the pervasiveness of mistrust and bias.
Beleive me, if there was a solid move to reunify on both sides and a stong will by all Cypriot communities (Greek, Turk, Armenian, Marionite) to come together as a single Cypriot people and nation, I would be the first to support it. The trouble is, I know that this is very unlikely. Given that, partition seems to be the best way to ensure peace on the island. QED.

This attack was not racially motivated. The TCs were Omonia fans and were wearing Omonia scarfs etc. As they were going back home, they were travelling via the Apoel clubrooms and got attacked. They were not the only ones who got attacked. Other GC Omonia fans were also attacked at the same location.

This was soccer hoooliganism and not an attack on TCs. Unfortunately, Cypriot soccer is marred with this hooliganism cancer. Many GCs have been attacked from various soccer hooligans in the past.