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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:20 pm

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You have a knack of making things up as you along then you turn around and believe what you have written, the bottom line is that all we have to do is wait and see who was right, Turkey will not enter the EU and division will remain, the past 34 years proves me right, you have nothing to back you up as the only opportunity you had to build a united Cyprus it didnt work.


You need to tell us what it is that I make up as I go along........we all want to know.!!

Only the last 4 years of 34 years where a settlement was sought. The first 30 years, Denktash and Turkey were not interested, because 37% of Cyprus was in their hands, and if they waited long enough, then recognition would come. What came instead, was the acceptance of Cyprus into the EU in 2004 which got things moving on the ground, starting with the opening of the crossings as a goodwill gesture to try and get the AP passed. Even Denktash was sidelined for that reason, because he was so hated. Once the AP was a NO, then panic started to set in with Turkey's EU bid, and now, for the first time in 34 years, we have a chance to put past mistakes aside and look for a settlement that's good for majority of Cypriots and also for Turkey's EU aspirations. So do not mislead people with your 34 years proof that peace can't be achieved, because peace was not sought in the first 30 years. You can thank Denktash for that, since his belief was, that Cyprus problem has been solved in 1974.


Maybe Ex President Denktaş will be proven right, everyone believed he was the obstacle towards find a solution hes been gone for 5 years now and where are we? further from a solution than we have ever been, so you have proved him right 1974 and the current divide is the best solution we will ever achieve.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:42 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
You have a knack of making things up as you along then you turn around and believe what you have written, the bottom line is that all we have to do is wait and see who was right, Turkey will not enter the EU and division will remain, the past 34 years proves me right, you have nothing to back you up as the only opportunity you had to build a united Cyprus it didnt work.


You need to tell us what it is that I make up as I go along........we all want to know.!!

Only the last 4 years of 34 years where a settlement was sought. The first 30 years, Denktash and Turkey were not interested, because 37% of Cyprus was in their hands, and if they waited long enough, then recognition would come. What came instead, was the acceptance of Cyprus into the EU in 2004 which got things moving on the ground, starting with the opening of the crossings as a goodwill gesture to try and get the AP passed. Even Denktash was sidelined for that reason, because he was so hated. Once the AP was a NO, then panic started to set in with Turkey's EU bid, and now, for the first time in 34 years, we have a chance to put past mistakes aside and look for a settlement that's good for majority of Cypriots and also for Turkey's EU aspirations. So do not mislead people with your 34 years proof that peace can't be achieved, because peace was not sought in the first 30 years. You can thank Denktash for that, since his belief was, that Cyprus problem has been solved in 1974.


Maybe Ex President Denktaş will be proven right, everyone believed he was the obstacle towards find a solution hes been gone for 5 years now and where are we? further from a solution than we have ever been, so you have proved him right 1974 and the current divide is the best solution we will ever achieve.


Then I don't know why Talat and Turkey are eager to find a solution by the end of the year, if there is no need to find a solution, because Denktash was right in 1974 according to you. Well, the answer is, 2004 AP did not work, therefore real peace formula needs to be found, so that Turkey can keep her EU membership hopes alive. Denktash never imagined that Cyprus will be in the EU 30 years after he made the above statement. He was short sighted about a lot of thing actually. Recognition was the other.

There's never going to be peace as you would like today's situation to remain just because you are holding others land by force and do not want to give it back. Shall I also remind you, that you still own your own land in the South. No wonder you are happy with the situation as they are now.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:00 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
You have a knack of making things up as you along then you turn around and believe what you have written, the bottom line is that all we have to do is wait and see who was right, Turkey will not enter the EU and division will remain, the past 34 years proves me right, you have nothing to back you up as the only opportunity you had to build a united Cyprus it didnt work.


You need to tell us what it is that I make up as I go along........we all want to know.!!

Only the last 4 years of 34 years where a settlement was sought. The first 30 years, Denktash and Turkey were not interested, because 37% of Cyprus was in their hands, and if they waited long enough, then recognition would come. What came instead, was the acceptance of Cyprus into the EU in 2004 which got things moving on the ground, starting with the opening of the crossings as a goodwill gesture to try and get the AP passed. Even Denktash was sidelined for that reason, because he was so hated. Once the AP was a NO, then panic started to set in with Turkey's EU bid, and now, for the first time in 34 years, we have a chance to put past mistakes aside and look for a settlement that's good for majority of Cypriots and also for Turkey's EU aspirations. So do not mislead people with your 34 years proof that peace can't be achieved, because peace was not sought in the first 30 years. You can thank Denktash for that, since his belief was, that Cyprus problem has been solved in 1974.


Maybe Ex President Denktaş will be proven right, everyone believed he was the obstacle towards find a solution hes been gone for 5 years now and where are we? further from a solution than we have ever been, so you have proved him right 1974 and the current divide is the best solution we will ever achieve.


Then I don't know why Talat and Turkey are eager to find a solution by the end of the year, if there is no need to find a solution, because Denktash was right in 1974 according to you. Well, the answer is, 2004 AP did not work, therefore real peace formula needs to be found, so that Turkey can keep her EU membership hopes alive. Denktash never imagined that Cyprus will be in the EU 30 years after he made the above statement. He was short sighted about a lot of thing actually. Recognition was the other.

There's never going to be peace as you would like today's situation to remain just because you are holding others land by force and do not want to give it back. Shall I also remind you, that you still own your own land in the South. No wonder you are happy with the situation as they are now.


I didnt say he was right I said you may prove him right if no solution is found, the best we can do is the current situation, prove me wrong, there is no magic solution and we 2 are prime examples of why there will never be a solution.
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Postby zan » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
You have a knack of making things up as you along then you turn around and believe what you have written, the bottom line is that all we have to do is wait and see who was right, Turkey will not enter the EU and division will remain, the past 34 years proves me right, you have nothing to back you up as the only opportunity you had to build a united Cyprus it didnt work.


You need to tell us what it is that I make up as I go along........we all want to know.!!

Only the last 4 years of 34 years where a settlement was sought. The first 30 years, Denktash and Turkey were not interested, because 37% of Cyprus was in their hands, and if they waited long enough, then recognition would come. What came instead, was the acceptance of Cyprus into the EU in 2004 which got things moving on the ground, starting with the opening of the crossings as a goodwill gesture to try and get the AP passed. Even Denktash was sidelined for that reason, because he was so hated. Once the AP was a NO, then panic started to set in with Turkey's EU bid, and now, for the first time in 34 years, we have a chance to put past mistakes aside and look for a settlement that's good for majority of Cypriots and also for Turkey's EU aspirations. So do not mislead people with your 34 years proof that peace can't be achieved, because peace was not sought in the first 30 years. You can thank Denktash for that, since his belief was, that Cyprus problem has been solved in 1974.


Maybe Ex President Denktaş will be proven right, everyone believed he was the obstacle towards find a solution hes been gone for 5 years now and where are we? further from a solution than we have ever been, so you have proved him right 1974 and the current divide is the best solution we will ever achieve.


Then I don't know why Talat and Turkey are eager to find a solution by the end of the year, if there is no need to find a solution, because Denktash was right in 1974 according to you. Well, the answer is, 2004 AP did not work, therefore real peace formula needs to be found, so that Turkey can keep her EU membership hopes alive. Denktash never imagined that Cyprus will be in the EU 30 years after he made the above statement. He was short sighted about a lot of thing actually. Recognition was the other.

There's never going to be peace as you would like today's situation to remain just because you are holding others land by force and do not want to give it back. Shall I also remind you, that you still own your own land in the South. No wonder you are happy with the situation as they are now.


The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:04 pm

zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!
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Postby zan » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!


I think you will find that it had a knife in it's back from that reliable cheet Tpap!!!
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:30 am

zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!


I think you will find that it had a knife in it's back from that reliable cheet Tpap!!!


Denktash and the Gang did not help either. Everyone had one vote each, including PapaD. It did not pass. Even if PapaD and Denktash said yes, there would have been just two more votes for the worst Peace Plan ever MANUFACTURED............
May the AP rest in PIECES.!!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:35 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!


I think you will find that it had a knife in it's back from that reliable cheet Tpap!!!


Denktash and the Gang did not help either. Everyone had one vote each, including PapaD. It did not pass. Even if PapaD and Denktash said yes, there would have been just two more votes for the worst Peace Plan ever MANUFACTURED............
May the AP rest in PIECES.!!


It will soon be back from the dead to haunt you, will that mean you will have to lick what you spat out.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:44 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!


I think you will find that it had a knife in it's back from that reliable cheet Tpap!!!


Denktash and the Gang did not help either. Everyone had one vote each, including PapaD. It did not pass. Even if PapaD and Denktash said yes, there would have been just two more votes for the worst Peace Plan ever MANUFACTURED............
May the AP rest in PIECES.!!


It will soon be back from the dead to haunt you, will that mean you will have to lick what you spat out.


It won't be the BBF (Confederacy) part, or the Undemocratic, Racist, or the Human Rights violation part.

Anything else, sure, I will lick it...Happy now VP.??
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:50 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
The Annan Plan worked fine for the majority of TCs and over 30% of GCs..... :roll: :roll:


If you combine the two figures above, they still fall well short of the majority of Cypriots, therefore AP was
"Dead on Arrival"..........RIP.!!


I think you will find that it had a knife in it's back from that reliable cheet Tpap!!!


Denktash and the Gang did not help either. Everyone had one vote each, including PapaD. It did not pass. Even if PapaD and Denktash said yes, there would have been just two more votes for the worst Peace Plan ever MANUFACTURED............
May the AP rest in PIECES.!!


It will soon be back from the dead to haunt you, will that mean you will have to lick what you spat out.


It won't be the BBF (Confederacy) part, or the Undemocratic, Racist, or the Human Rights violation part.

Anything else, sure, I will lick it...Happy now VP.??


What if it is? what if it is repackaged with the same basic structure? can the Gcs risk another NO?
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