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[Oracle]

What a worthwhile pastime ... contributing fodder to the psyche of the bigots who have to categorize people to make themselves feel superior!

And this is you?

I’m not categorizing any people, I’m simply saying what we are all disgusting beings and what we are only interested about our self’s.

Maybe my statement doesn’t much with your categorizations where you are superior?

Or do you saying what I’m categorizing gay's? I belive what they are already categorized by them self’s.

Or do you mean what I’m categorizing TPap trash?

Tpap trash, they did categorize people in many ways, starting with the yes and the no.

They are also categorized by them self’s in DIKO where the TPap trash are about to kicked out from the old DIKO of Kiprianou.

Re ... are you feeling particularly persecuted?

I was in fact offering you support by showing what an idiotic pastime Expatkiwi was pursuing ... trying to stereotype.

On the whole I think you have a lot of valid points, you do not suffer fools, are honest in your comments, unafraid to express yourself and therefore essential as an eye-opening debater ...

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Let me get this straight. First you chastise me for pointing out areas to Expat where he may not have thought of regarding permanent partition, then you turn around and tell me I am not entitled to express the situation at hand in my own way, because it comes across as "know it all" kind of arrogance. Now look who is acting like me.!!! Expat has only expressed partition for TC's as a means to have peace without even considering the facts as to what the cost has been so far to thousands of Cypriots to get to where we are today, and what the costs will be in the future with a forced partition, which in my opinion will not happen by the way. It's not to say it has not been tried. It has been for the last 34 years. To Expat and many others, is as if to say ,"well, what's done is done, start fresh from now on with a partition, and everyone will live happy ever after". It is this kind of cavalier attitude that I find objectionable, so I feel the need to educate him of the past that would be the basis for his partition wishes.

Your views are your own right or wrong, your line of argument is such that you do not just air your views you force them on people as if they are the gospel truth and no one else can even have an opinion as you have seen the light and you are the only one who knows all. Partition is here like it or not, recognized or not and it has been working for 34 years, so denying it will happen or work is imo being so blind to an extent of stupidity. If you put aside the land issue for one moment and thought about allowing the TRNC to go it alone do you really believe that we would not be able to survive with recognition and the beneifts that involves?
Expat is like me although a union is desired we are realists and know the outcome from day 1, even these talks will hit rocky ground very soon if attitudes have not changed because in the past neither side has displayed a real desire to solve anything, although I support this last attempt I think it should be made quite clear from the outset what the outcome will be if one side resists, stalls or pulls out, both sides have to compromise and swallow their pig headed Cypriot pride as the pill we have to swallow will not be sweet, plus a timetable is imperative to producing results.

Comparisons have been made many times on what happens in other countries when it come to partition and recognition and lifting of isolation all the time, so why not also make comparisons to saying historical facts on other peoples plight as they have also been persecuted many times over by their own people in those said countries. Expat accepts all the injustices that has been done to great many people in the States over many years, but does not see fit for partitioning any part of America. The only reason I talk about America, is because that is Expats new country and is a citizen. I may also like to add, that I agree with him for not wanting to partition any part of America, but I also do not want partitioning of my own birthplace as he does. One cannot be a bigger hypocrite than that, when wrongs done in America in the past and to some degree today, that he sees it more fitting to have a permanent partition of a small island, than a country that is thousand times bigger. Expat seems to think, that just having partition will not have any repercussions in the future, if it's forced on Cypriots. He has the idea, that people will just accept it, just because he believes it will bring peace to the island once and for all.

You can compare all you wish but everyones personal viewpoint is shaped by where they stand although you can appreciate others people opinions they do not have to be ones that you subscribe to and you like everyone else have to respect differing views, yours is not necessarily the right one and you are biased to the extreme. Partition has been administered/forced has it brought a peaceful exsistence/prosperity for all living on this island? Which do you prefer 1963-1974 or 1974-2008?

Yes he is, and so am I, and I gave it to him. It seems that you are more upset about it than he is. Let him dispute the arguments I have put for him regarding the cost of a partition which I called him to be morally corrupted. I would also like to ask you, why you have not disputed all the things I've listed as to events that has got us to this point of division. You are always ready to point out the faults of the GC's part on how things got to be today, so what is wrong with adding the rest of the facts. You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, but yet you do not dispute them. Is it more of the case of you just don't want to hear them, or is it how dare I talk about them.??

Im only pointing out how I percieve the way you persecute people to a point of nausia, if expat does not feel comfortable revealing his ancestory you should respect this, it bears no relation on his arguments, if that were the case why do not question the ancestory of those that agree with you? Why is someone who supports agreed partition morally corrupt? just because he does not fall into line with your ideology does not make him morally corrupt he just has a differing viewpoint, this type of bullying does not produce results and I counter argue your points all the time but I have come to realize that obviously we have differing stances on many issues and we will never see eye to eye, so I just put my point forward and leave it at that? But you on the other hand think you know the gospel truth and all should follow you to the promised and those that have differing views are morally corupt and wrong, evil, scum of the earth.

What can I tell you VP. I can take the mule to the water, but I can't make it drink. Don't blame me for your inability to accept that a True Cypriot and a TC is willing to tell it the way it is. You play a very dangerous game of denial, to think if wrongs done by TC's are told by a TC, then he cannot be a TC, therefore he must be a GC. This will lead others to believe, that the TC's are not able to tell the truth about their own community, when facts are already in the open. Just what was it that I told Expat that you find it impossible for any TC's to say it. Was anything I said was made up and not to be true. It has already been told on the forum by more than few TC members, that they cannot express themselves the way they would like to, because they live in the "TRNC", and I respect their position, so the fact that others may not be as forward as I am, does not mean that they disagree in what I write. Unless you can show me where I make things up in order to show the TC's in a bad light, I'm exercising freedom to talk what has already happened and continues to happen. If we are going to have lasting peace in Cyprus, we need to talk about our own side as well. I'm still waiting for Talat to follow on what Christofias said, which was to accept some of the responsibility of the Cyprus problems. It has been 2-3 days already, so where is Talat's response in accepting some responsibility on the behalf of the TC's. Why aren't you demanding for Talat to do the same ??. Let the truth come out VP, and stop trying to suppress it, just because it is too ugly.

Do you really think that you are so rare that there are no other TCs who speak out against TCs and their wrong doings, they do dont worry about that read Afrika and you will see what I mean but they are noway like your posts, your wording, attitude and manipulative usage of words reveals more about you than you think, you argue pro GC stance stronger and harder than GCs, for a TC who has lived through hardship and pain this is very very difficult to do as they would display from time to time sentencies that would reveal that they are TCs like Birkibrisli...you are either a GC or of other origin, or you or your family have endured something very bad at the hands of Turks as your hate for anything Turkish has reached such heights that you are more pro GCs than the GCs themselves.

Why not let Christofias be the better man, my respect for him has increased since that declaration, let him take the lead and show Talat how it is done, he will gain the respect of TCs if he shows even the smallest of compromises and does not stick to the rigid phobias of the past.

On a closing note VP, I do not see the GC's or the TC's as my "enemy", so stop making statements in that regard, because I have not said anything that would supports your argument. Do I complain a lot about my community, the TC's, absolutely, specially when I see things that are directed towards partition rather than lasting peace on the island of Cyprus.

All your arguements are anti Turks or TCs, we are the bad boys and therefore your enemy, you may not see it that way but I personally do and I believe many other TCs would think the same if they read your views. You are entitled to your views and the TCs are not perfect far from it, we have along way to go but unlike you I am not will to capitulate to GC dominance, any union would be an equal partnership where the policies will be for the good of all the people without placing people in danger or at risk due to their ethnic origins. Safeguards are vital to building trust, confidence and cooperation therefore sensativites of both sides have to be addressed is a viable solution is to be found, ignoring them or pretending they do not exsist will not provide a sound basis for a union.

[Get Real!]

What a worthwhile pastime ... contributing fodder to the psyche of the bigots who have to categorize people to make themselves feel superior!

And this is you?

I’m not categorizing any people, I’m simply saying what we are all disgusting beings and what we are only interested about our self’s.

Maybe my statement doesn’t much with your categorizations where you are superior?

Or do you saying what I’m categorizing gay's? I belive what they are already categorized by them self’s.

Or do you mean what I’m categorizing TPap trash?

Tpap trash, they did categorize people in many ways, starting with the yes and the no.

They are also categorized by them self’s in DIKO where the TPap trash are about to kicked out from the old DIKO of Kiprianou.

Re ... are you feeling particularly persecuted?

I was in fact offering you support by showing what an idiotic pastime Expatkiwi was pursuing ... trying to stereotype.

On the whole I think you have a lot of valid points, you do not suffer fools, are honest in your comments, unafraid to express yourself and therefore essential as an eye-opening debater ...

Are you insane woman? This wierdo escaped from Leros and you call him "essential as an eye-opening debater" ???

[Oracle]

What a worthwhile pastime ... contributing fodder to the psyche of the bigots who have to categorize people to make themselves feel superior!

And this is you?

I’m not categorizing any people, I’m simply saying what we are all disgusting beings and what we are only interested about our self’s.

Maybe my statement doesn’t much with your categorizations where you are superior?

Or do you saying what I’m categorizing gay's? I belive what they are already categorized by them self’s.

Or do you mean what I’m categorizing TPap trash?

Tpap trash, they did categorize people in many ways, starting with the yes and the no.

They are also categorized by them self’s in DIKO where the TPap trash are about to kicked out from the old DIKO of Kiprianou.

Re ... are you feeling particularly persecuted?

I was in fact offering you support by showing what an idiotic pastime Expatkiwi was pursuing ... trying to stereotype.

On the whole I think you have a lot of valid points, you do not suffer fools, are honest in your comments, unafraid to express yourself and therefore essential as an eye-opening debater ...

Are you insane woman? This wierdo escaped from Leros and you call him "essential as an eye-opening debater" ???

I euphemise of course .....

[Daemon]

Yes, while o gios tis ilithiotias (the sun of stupidity) GR have not escaped from the whores of DIKO (or EDEK). Eisasten AXRISTES poutanes re(tzie esou tzie I poutana I mana sou pou se eshiese). They try even now to create problems to our foreign policy and to Christofias and his main supporter is Anastasiadis!!! And the laugh with these sick whores has just begun. They try to convince their poutanes (supporters) what they actually did something and what the 8 of July agreement is something that erase history and political data and what Christofias must use TPap sickness to humiliate him self like their TPap piece of shit did.

They accuse their political enemies as traitors where in fact except from traitors of Darwin they are traitors of their country according to the way that their dead brain understand world because they are sick fagots. Of course the answer came from Papapetrou to this asshole Votsis of DIKO when he tried his old methods and the answer of Papaetrou was: You didn’t learn what there have passed 20 days (that we change government) that the opposite opinion is permitted?

And this humiliated human trash are speaking for democracy and human rights (like they learned from the theocracy of the Taliban and fagot Makarios, they were always fagots is not something new) about and crying like humiliated bitches for their supposed rights. The only right I recognize to this trash is to suicide.

Humiliated human trash, that is what you are and you are about to eliminated from the political scene and guess what, this is the good news.

[Daemon]

GR I have a question about the ass you have for brain, farts is the only thing that your stupid brain can produce? Did you ever tried to shit with your ass a reasonable bullshit?

Even your bullshits have nothing to say. Is nothing like you are nothing in the whole?

I’m trying hard to understand why your stupid mother didn’t use the water-closet when she shit you.

[Nikitas]

Expat is a "native" New Zealander who has adopted the USA as his home. In both countries the Anglosaxons have massacred and then "preserved" the native people in reservations.

Well Expat, Greek Cypriots are not the kind of native that you can safely put away in reservations and then exterminate through neglect and social decay, they have survived through much worse than the present situation. If you want to help natives try visiting the Navajos in Arizona and leave us alone.

[Kikapu]

VP,

I really did not wanted to get into involved debate with you over the Cyprus problems at this time as there is some movement towards peace talks, but since you raised the land issue, Cyprus can only have peace when land returns to it's rightful owners, or to be shared by it's rightful owners, and with the permission of the rightful owners. Anything else is nothing more than
"might makes right". You also very quietly skipped my question to you, which was to tell me what was it that I told Expatkiwi that was inaccurate when I made him a list of events that has already happened, that if one were to support a permanent partition can only do so with the acceptance of all the things I listed, which makes him and others Morally Corrupted.

VP, do yourself a favour and stop looking for "ghosts" in my past that you think has harmed me or my family by the Turks or the TC's. Despite our ordeal in the hands of the GC's in 1963, myself and my immediate family has moved on with our lives and do not hold today's GC society responsible for the crimes committed by the few back then. My grievances with Turkey and the "TRNC" is strictly on their political dishonesty and political shenanigans towards finding a solution to Cyprus. But you very conveniently want to tie my displeasures of the above to make it mean that I'm against the Turks or the TC's. If that were the case, I would not have had my 50th Birthday celebrations in Turkey with my twin sister near Antalya at my favourite hotel. But your tactics fall in the above political dishonesty and political shenanigans very nicely to cast a label over me. Nice try, but my conscious is very clear and just like Teflon, it will not allow anything to stick to it..

I don't know anything about the "Gospel Truth". I leave that to those who believe in that in a place that is best served, which is a place of worship. As I told a friend couple of days ago, that the highest score I have ever gotten in a Religious Education (RE) test growing up in the UK was 13/100. Pathetic results indeed. Therefore I'm not into the "Gospel Truth". My whole approach to the political events in the "TRNC" just comes down to one thing, and that is being very Principled, which understandably clashes head on with the unprincipled, unethical, the greedy, and the morally corrupted. Along the way, the good and the innocent TC's who have become the "misguided lemmings" also end up arguing with my points of view at times, just because they want to "go with the flow". I do not have anything against them personally, and often I give them understanding in their stance. There are others who are also principled TC's such as Birkibrisli, Denizaksulu, Iceman and some others, but as individuals, we are different on some of our points of view. I do not expect others to understand how I formulate my points of view and they at times question me on them, as I do with theirs. It does not mean we do not care about our own community, the TC's and Cypriots in general. On the contrary, perhaps more than the others who are self serving individuals.

As I said, I do not want to get into heavy political discussions with you or anyone else at this moment in time as talks go on and I want to give Talat as much support as possible to do the right thing, even though I'm not too happy with his actions and statements he has made in the last month or so, but I will be patient, but if he ends up being the principle actors who would derail these peace talks with unreasonable demands that can't be met, then I'm going to be like a "fly on shit" with him for the rest of his political life..

[Daemon]

Kikapu some times exaggerate but is a good thing that the TC’s have people like him because in the other case it was going to be absolutely reasonable to say what all the TC’s are hypocrite pussy’s like VP. At least he is trying to face his responsibility in front of his community history and in front of his county.

Of course VP will vote yes in the next plan because if will not he will be the blowjob boy of some military fagots and he will never be able to find his self esteem and over pass his inferiority complex.

[petr87]

He is not just expressing his views, he provocates emotional reaction of the GC’s while the one side is angelic and the other a beast that can't be trusted, while of course Turkey is trustable for god sake while after 74 they never kept their word. While in Turkey the military fagots are trying to eliminate Erdogan and their European future. A military based talibanistic dictatorship is trustable and some weak and fool GC’s are not. This is not hypocrisy?

And yes a foreigner with this attitude should educated by kikakpu and anyone that have a clue about the problem here.

And define what you mean by division, we are speaking about a TC state or about a Turkish province?

In the first case they do not afraid GC’s? Where is the difference if Turkish army will leave from here?

If we take the second possibility we are speaking about expansion of Turkey borders in European ground.

Can anyone suggest such bullshit openly?

Someone who suggest such bullshit he is not just a a hypocrite, he is a disgusting fagot.

I am affraid i don't agree with any of this.First of all,yes there is a huge difference if the Turkish army leaves from the island.Why stay??CYprus is not an island that anyone can come and bring the army just for some "Fears"...let the russians bring their army,and the Greeks bring their army and their French bring their army just because Russians,Greeks and French live on this island.And if u wanna know GCs and TCs were iving in peace before the invasion and the "contribution" of Britain .They were friends,neighbours...GCs never did anything against TCs.Britain back then couldn't handle herself EOKA and of course it was a good thing for her to turn the Cypriot problem into Greek-Turkish dispute.Britain and Turkey collaborated to fight EOKA.Most of the British police who hit the GCs were Turks and TCs.That was the point!!!!Turkey wanted to show that GCs was attacking the TCs and was her "duty" to protect her people from the "barbarians".And that is why Turkey invaded Cyprus...to assure the protection of TCs and that was the only thing she could do.Are we serious???????Turkey invades our island,kills thousands of innocent people,rapes women and children,takes our homes by force...and that is a peaceful intervention??and just what did they expect the GCs to do when Turks and British were attacking them?sit back and watch??i don't hate TCs that live on the island,i'm not saying that GCs are better...but get real people!!!when they threat our rights and our coutnry we are not gonna let them do whatever they want.We will stand for our rights ad we will honour the memory of all those people who fought against all enemies who tried to occupy Cyprus.and trust me,it's not a Turkish-Greek thing...it's something that all people in all countries would do if anyone tried to kick them out of their country!!!!