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[Nikitas]

Gotta admit, this guy Daemon has a special way of using the English language.

Now all you lot in here who are so quick to use Daemon as a stereotype, just think how you would view him, or anyone like him, if you heard him talk like that in the local coffee shop. He would be marked as the village fool.

[Daemon]

This is the beauty of forums you can express your self freely.

Hey ksixesmeno apovlito kai gie gadaras, Christofias was also bribed with a black whore?

Why don’t you go to a coffee shop and entertain people with your sick imagination?

The stereotyped idiots like Nikitas that are flowing like pissing when someone provocates division have something to say

[Viewpoint]

Expat, be careful you do not have to reveal anything as I have also been grilled like you to reveal specific information which you can rest assured with be used time and time again to try and weaken your arguments.

Kikapu I still do not believe you are a Turkish Cypriot anyway you can prove it beyond a doubt, you above post reeks I am a Greek Cypriot, the way you ridicule and minimalize the TC suffering proves this beyond a doubt, not even the most liberal of TCs would your specific line of argument or word post like you.

VP,

My posts for Expatkiwi are design to give him a shot of reality on what the Cyprus situation is all about and not what is told to him by his "pen- pal" Denktash. He can say all the things he is saying blindly if he wants, but when I took him to task on his Hypocrisy on not wanting self determination to the Mexican, the Blacks, the Japanese and the Gays in his State of California under the same conditions that he wants partition for the TC's, just because he will be kicked out of his home. I don't personally care who or where he comes from. The point is, his posts are empty in sincerity and Integrity when others in his country have suffered far more than the TC's. If you think this statement ridicules and minimizes the TC's sufferings, then I'm afraid you do not know anything about American History, at least for the last 300-400 years.

My post to Expat had nothing to do with GC's or the TC's directly, other than making him see, that "just supporting partition" is not just supporting partition. It goes much much deeper than that. I'm sorry you take offence to my writings, but Expat does not understand the Cyprus Problems as he claims that he does. At least I have never hid my ethnicity, place of birth and my interest in Cyprus. I gave you credit for disclosing your birth place, whereas before hand, all your post were untrustworthy. At least now we have a better understand where your points of view are coming from. I'm sorry but, if a person does not want to tell a little bit about themselves, how on earth can you take his/her point of view very seriously, specially when they want the worst for your country. I can argue with you about partition all you want VP, because you are a Cypriot, but when a "stranger" wants the worse for my country, I tell him to "go and take a hike".

My goal is for all Cypriots to have a home and a country that is called Cyprus and not accept Expat's dribble. For all we know, he has a vested interest in the North owning plenty of GC land. The fact that he is "pen pals" with Denktash, makes that a very good possibility. I have family members who has done just that, so what makes Expat any special. I just don't think that Expats views and interest in Cyprus are very honourable.

What makes you think you are so wise that you can go about giving anyone a shot at reality, its your reality and take on it which is derived from your ability to understand and express yourself, we can take it or leave it as everones experiences and accumlation of information shapes the way they percieve things. No one is 100% right or wrong, you have this knack of thinking you are, get over yourself no one can be judge and jury.

I care about my country and resolving my problems so this constant comparison to other countries histories and outcomes is a cop out they have nothing to do with my own countries original historical path. Each case has its own merits and once size does not fit all, solutions like suits have to be tailor made to fit the body perfectly otherwise a ready made one size fits all suit will not fit the contours of the body and can in fact stop the circulation of blood.

Expat is entitles to his views you either take them or leave them, who gives you the right to "educate" or show him the light as you do not know more or any better than anyone else but you seem to think you do.

Your backround that you confess to for me at least is very questionable and I still stick to my belief that you are not a TC, as you statements and declarations do not contain not even one sentence that a TC would utter. Your posts reflect the arguments of a GC 100% and to confirm this ask any TC on this forum. I would genuinely like to know what it is you have against TCs and why you belittle our plight and hardships to such an extent that we appear to be the enemy and that everything we do is wrong and the GCs are always right.

[Daemon]

He is not just expressing his views, he provocates emotional reaction of the GC’s while the one side is angelic and the other a beast that can't be trusted, while of course Turkey is trustable for god sake while after 74 they never kept their word. While in Turkey the military fagots are trying to eliminate Erdogan and their European future. A military based talibanistic dictatorship is trustable and some weak and fool GC’s are not. This is not hypocrisy?

And yes a foreigner with this attitude should educated by kikakpu and anyone that have a clue about the problem here.

And define what you mean by division, we are speaking about a TC state or about a Turkish province?

In the first case they do not afraid GC’s? Where is the difference if Turkish army will leave from here?

If we take the second possibility we are speaking about expansion of Turkey borders in European ground.

Can anyone suggest such bullshit openly?

Someone who suggest such bullshit he is not just a a hypocrite, he is a disgusting fagot.

[utu]

As about the NZ-er now in USA and the other fagots, they can go fuck their slef's or they can try the taste of my dick. We have many smart idiots already and we do not need whores and fagots to show us the way for division.

And now I heard that I have even more to say to this fucked fagot.

'fagots'? Would you be including a certain Canadian in this? By the way, I had read a magazine a friend of mine (who is in the tourism business) lent me. It told about perceptions by tourists about various countries. When I read up on Cyprus, the pros and cons were quite marked. One of the cons of the Cyprots (and this was referring to the Cypriots living south of the Green Line) was that they had a tendency to be very blunt and make liberal use of rather colorful language. I'm afraid that you've confirmed that observation, Daemon.

Indidentally, I - and other non-Cypriots on this forum - really feel no need to apologize for our being here and opining. It is an open forum after all, and since Cyprus is - to an extent - an international issue - that also means non-Cypriots can read and listen, and form opinions and conclusions. If you think that is inappropriate, then perhaps a forum ONLY useable for Cypriots be set up. Until then, please put up with us.

[Oracle]

Expat, be careful you do not have to reveal anything as I have also been grilled like you to reveal specific information which you can rest assured with be used time and time again to try and weaken your arguments.

..... On this note; I must thank you for the obvious effort that you have made latterly, towards discussing points and avoiding those sexist, ageist terms you loved in the past ....

[Kikapu]

What makes you think you are so wise that you can go about giving anyone a shot at reality, its your reality and take on it which is derived from your ability to understand and express yourself, we can take it or leave it as everones experiences and accumlation of information shapes the way they percieve things. No one is 100% right or wrong, you have this knack of thinking you are, get over yourself no one can be judge and jury.

I care about my country and resolving my problems so this constant comparison to other countries histories and outcomes is a cop out they have nothing to do with my own countries original historical path. Each case has its own merits and once size does not fit all, solutions like suits have to be tailor made to fit the body perfectly otherwise a ready made one size fits all suit will not fit the contours of the body and can in fact stop the circulation of blood.

Expat is entitles to his views you either take them or leave them, who gives you the right to "educate" or show him the light as you do not know more or any better than anyone else but you seem to think you do.

Your backround that you confess to for me at least is very questionable and I still stick to my belief that you are not a TC, as you statements and declarations do not contain not even one sentence that a TC would utter. Your posts reflect the arguments of a GC 100% and to confirm this ask any TC on this forum. I would genuinely like to know what it is you have against TCs and why you belittle our plight and hardships to such an extent that we appear to be the enemy and that everything we do is wrong and the GCs are always right.

VP,

What makes you think you are so wise that you can go about giving anyone a shot at reality, its your reality and take on it which is derived from your ability to understand and express yourself, we can take it or leave it as everones experiences and accumlation of information shapes the way they percieve things. No one is 100% right or wrong, you have this knack of thinking you are, get over yourself no one can be judge and jury.

Let me get this straight. First you chastise me for pointing out areas to Expat where he may not have thought of regarding permanent partition, then you turn around and tell me I am not entitled to express the situation at hand in my own way, because it comes across as "know it all" kind of arrogance. Now look who is acting like me.!!! Expat has only expressed partition for TC's as a means to have peace without even considering the facts as to what the cost has been so far to thousands of Cypriots to get to where we are today, and what the costs will be in the future with a forced partition, which in my opinion will not happen by the way. It's not to say it has not been tried. It has been for the last 34 years. To Expat and many others, is as if to say ,"well, what's done is done, start fresh from now on with a partition, and everyone will live happy ever after". It is this kind of cavalier attitude that I find objectionable, so I feel the need to educate him of the past that would be the basis for his partition wishes.

I care about my country and resolving my problems so this constant comparison to other countries histories and outcomes is a cop out they have nothing to do with my own countries original historical path. Each case has its own merits and once size does not fit all, solutions like suits have to be tailor made to fit the body perfectly otherwise a ready made one size fits all suit will not fit the contours of the body and can in fact stop the circulation of blood.

Comparisons have been made many times on what happens in other countries when it come to partition and recognition and lifting of isolation all the time, so why not also make comparisons to saying historical facts on other peoples plight as they have also been persecuted many times over by their own people in those said countries. Expat accepts all the injustices that has been done to great many people in the States over many years, but does not see fit for partitioning any part of America. The only reason I talk about America, is because that is Expats new country and is a citizen. I may also like to add, that I agree with him for not wanting to partition any part of America, but I also do not want partitioning of my own birthplace as he does. One cannot be a bigger hypocrite than that, when wrongs done in America in the past and to some degree today, that he sees it more fitting to have a permanent partition of a small island, than a country that is thousand times bigger. Expat seems to think, that just having partition will not have any repercussions in the future, if it's forced on Cypriots. He has the idea, that people will just accept it, just because he believes it will bring peace to the island once and for all.

Expat is entitles to his views you either take them or leave them, who gives you the right to "educate" or show him the light as you do not know more or any better than anyone else but you seem to think you do.

Yes he is, and so am I, and I gave it to him. It seems that you are more upset about it than he is. Let him dispute the arguments I have put for him regarding the cost of a partition which I called him to be morally corrupted. I would also like to ask you, why you have not disputed all the things I've listed as to events that has got us to this point of division. You are always ready to point out the faults of the GC's part on how things got to be today, so what is wrong with adding the rest of the facts. You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, but yet you do not dispute them. Is it more of the case of you just don't want to hear them, or is it how dare I talk about them.??

Your backround that you confess to for me at least is very questionable and I still stick to my belief that you are not a TC, as you statements and declarations do not contain not even one sentence that a TC would utter. Your posts reflect the arguments of a GC 100% and to confirm this ask any TC on this forum. I would genuinely like to know what it is you have against TCs and why you belittle our plight and hardships to such an extent that we appear to be the enemy and that everything we do is wrong and the GCs are always right

What can I tell you VP. I can take the mule to the water, but I can't make it drink. Don't blame me for your inability to accept that a True Cypriot and a TC is willing to tell it the way it is. You play a very dangerous game of denial, to think if wrongs done by TC's are told by a TC, then he cannot be a TC, therefore he must be a GC. This will lead others to believe, that the TC's are not able to tell the truth about their own community, when facts are already in the open. Just what was it that I told Expat that you find it impossible for any TC's to say it. Was anything I said was made up and not to be true. It has already been told on the forum by more than few TC members, that they cannot express themselves the way they would like to, because they live in the "TRNC", and I respect their position, so the fact that others may not be as forward as I am, does not mean that they disagree in what I write. Unless you can show me where I make things up in order to show the TC's in a bad light, I'm exercising freedom to talk what has already happened and continues to happen. If we are going to have lasting peace in Cyprus, we need to talk about our own side as well. I'm still waiting for Talat to follow on what Christofias said, which was to accept some of the responsibility of the Cyprus problems. It has been 2-3 days already, so where is Talat's response in accepting some responsibility on the behalf of the TC's. Why aren't you demanding for Talat to do the same ??. Let the truth come out VP, and stop trying to suppress it, just because it is too ugly.

On a closing note VP, I do not see the GC's or the TC's as my "enemy", so stop making statements in that regard, because I have not said anything that would supports your argument. Do I complain a lot about my community, the TC's, absolutely, specially when I see things that are directed towards partition rather than lasting peace on the island of Cyprus.

[Daemon]

'fagots'? Would you be including a certain Canadian in this? By the way, I had read a magazine a friend of mine (who is in the tourism business) lent me. It told about perceptions by tourists about various countries. When I read up on Cyprus, the pros and cons were quite marked. One of the cons of the Cyprots (and this was referring to the Cypriots living south of the Green Line) was that they had a tendency to be very blunt and make liberal use of rather colorful language. I'm afraid that you've confirmed that observation, Daemon.

Indidentally, I - and other non-Cypriots on this forum - really feel no need to apologize for our being here and opining. It is an open forum after all, and since Cyprus is - to an extent - an international issue - that also means non-Cypriots can read and listen, and form opinions and conclusions. If you think that is inappropriate, then perhaps a forum ONLY useable for Cypriots be set up. Until then, please put up with us.

If you feel like a fagot maybe you are, I do not know your opinions and I do not give a shit even if you like the party from behind either if you don’t, If you are the lawyer of Expat please try to justify his hypocrisy to give me a reason to start the fagotmeter.

Do you suggest what I’m racist and what I have stereotype on this issue?

I’m not even racist with fagots, is the fagot character that I hate most and the question is how you can describe a fagot character with out using the word?

[Oracle]

Daemon,

Expatkiwi has said repeatedly that while he supports the partition of Cyprus, he is not Turkish. Former NZ-er now in USA.

After reading through this thread, I can see that he has succeeded in one thing: exposing stereotypes. I won't go any further than that...

Utu.

What a worthwhile pastime ... contributing fodder to the psyche of the bigots who have to categorize people to make themselves feel superior!

[Daemon]

What a worthwhile pastime ... contributing fodder to the psyche of the bigots who have to categorize people to make themselves feel superior!

And this is you?

I’m not categorizing any people, I’m simply saying what we are all disgusting beings and what we are only interested about our self’s.

Maybe my statement doesn’t much with your categorizations where you are superior?

Or do you saying what I’m categorizing gay's? I belive what they are already categorized by them self’s.

Or do you mean what I’m categorizing TPap trash?

Tpap trash, they did categorize people in many ways, starting with the yes and the no.

They are also categorized by them self’s in DIKO where the TPap trash are about to kicked out from the old DIKO of Kiprianou.