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[bill cobbett]

Not very fond of wine neither a Latin scholar. The words "bottom of bottle" do not appear in your sig.

As to the more substantive matter which you highlight in red, I can only suggest you consider starting a new post on this forum on this subject, " the ones who have suffered the most as a whole are the TC's " and we can let the good members of this forum, who are a great jury and such a mine of information, come to a conclusion.

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....Embargoed from home villages in the north

[Filitsa]

Not very fond of wine neither a Latin scholar. The words "bottom of bottle" do not appear in your sig.

As to the more substantive matter which you highlight in red, I can only suggest you consider starting a new post on this forum on this subject, " the ones who have suffered the most as a whole are the TC's " and we can let the good members of this forum, who are a great jury and such a mine of information, come to a conclusion.

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....Embargoed from home villages in the north

Since it is you who responded in disagreement to my post, it is you whom I ask.

[bill cobbett]

Not very fond of wine neither a Latin scholar. The words "bottom of bottle" do not appear in your sig.

As to the more substantive matter which you highlight in red, I can only suggest you consider starting a new post on this forum on this subject, " the ones who have suffered the most as a whole are the TC's " and we can let the good members of this forum, who are a great jury and such a mine of information, come to a conclusion.

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....Embargoed from home villages in the north

Since it is you who responded in disagreement to my post, it is you whom I ask.

You'll get a far, far more definitive answer from the Forum. Give it a try. You never know I may make a contribution there.

[Kikapu]

Expatkiwi is one of the most Morally Corrupted persons here on the forum, and he is now trying to give others advice on Morality, Racism and Tolerance.

By the way Expatkiwi, I have been meaning to ask you. Where does/did your parents come from (what country).???

My family's origins are my own business, Kikapu. And you have one hell of a nerve to say that I am 'morally corrupted'. I don't go around esposuing a view that its okay for Greeks to harass, expel, and kill Turks. My only 'crime' (in your view) is that I espouse partition as the only means to ensure peace between the communities. Really 'corruptible', isn't it, trying to say "lets keep them apart so that they don't kill each other'...?.

Expatkiwi,

My family's origins are my own business, Kikapu.

Where your family comes from is really of no interest to me Expat, nor do I want to beat you over the head with it, even if I had that information. It was a question to you to see if you can be honest about something as innocent as providing that simple information, and once again, you have failed miserably. How on earth do you expect anyone to take you seriously about your views on Cyprus and Cypriots in general, when you don't want to tell anyone about your ethnicity and then refuses to disclose where your parents are from. If I were to make a guess, I would say that your family's roots goes back to Greece. Don't ask me why, but that's my sense about you.

And you have one hell of a nerve to say that I am 'morally corrupted'

You are morally corrupted Expatkiwi, and it is not because of you wanting partition for the TC's. What you very easily dismiss about wanting partition for the TC's, is the path that would lead to it based on ethnic cleansing, killings, rapes, murders, violation of ones Human Rights and Dignity, denial of ones Democratic Rights, denial of ones access to their land and property, collective punishment on innocent by a military might, creating resentment, anger and hate between the two communities that would lead to another war sooner or later, because there never going to be harmony on the island when you can see your "enemy" across the divide who took your land away. You are not just supporting partition, you are supporting all of the above, and that is the reason why you are morally corrupted.

My only 'crime' (in your view) is that I espouse partition as the only means to ensure peace between the communities.

You wanting partition and self determination for the TC's is not as I described above that makes you morally corrupted Expat, because we had this conversation couple of weeks ago where you were exposed of being a big Hypocrite as well as being morally corrupted. I also want people to have their own self determination as a nation. But for someone who claims to know a lot about Cyprus, failed to see that it is Cyprus and Cypriots that deserve to have self determination from others and not different ethnic communities from each other. You do not want it in California for the Mexicans, or the Blacks, or the Japanese, who by far, over thousands times had worse experiences, that they have endured in the hands of "Americans", but yet you do not want self determination for those people. Why is that Expat. Are you Racist towards Mexicans, the Blacks, or the Japanese. How about Gays having their own self determination in the States. Are you for them, or are you also Racist towards them.

I'm just bringing the Race factor, because I'm lost to try and figure you out Expat. You cannot ask for partition for the TC's, when their plight in Cyprus were minuscule in comparison to the groups I have mentioned above. Then you go on to say, that partition will bring peace. Are you that blind or do you just live on making wishful thinking that peace will follow a partition by force. The last 40+ years has not brought peace Expat despite the division. All it has done, it gave the TC's some security at great cost. Don't confuse Peace and Security, which I believe is what you are doing. What Cyprus and Cypriots need is PEACE and the rest will fall in place. If you don't want to support peace in Cyprus, we don't need you supporting war and misery for the future of my country with your partition wishes.

[Viewpoint]

Expatkiwi is one of the most Morally Corrupted persons here on the forum, and he is now trying to give others advice on Morality, Racism and Tolerance.

By the way Expatkiwi, I have been meaning to ask you. Where does/did your parents come from (what country).???

My family's origins are my own business, Kikapu. And you have one hell of a nerve to say that I am 'morally corrupted'. I don't go around esposuing a view that its okay for Greeks to harass, expel, and kill Turks. My only 'crime' (in your view) is that I espouse partition as the only means to ensure peace between the communities. Really 'corruptible', isn't it, trying to say "lets keep them apart so that they don't kill each other'...?.

Expatkiwi,

My family's origins are my own business, Kikapu.

Where your family comes from is really of no interest to me Expat, nor do I want to beat you over the head with it, even if I had that information. It was a question to you to see if you can be honest about something as innocent as providing that simple information, and once again, you have failed miserably. How on earth do you expect anyone to take you seriously about your views on Cyprus and Cypriots in general, when you don't want to tell anyone about your ethnicity and then refuses to disclose where your parents are from. If I were to make a guess, I would say that your family's roots goes back to Greece. Don't ask me why, but that's my sense about you.

And you have one hell of a nerve to say that I am 'morally corrupted'

You are morally corrupted Expatkiwi, and it is not because of you wanting partition for the TC's. What you very easily dismiss about wanting partition for the TC's, is the path that would lead to it based on ethnic cleansing, killings, rapes, murders, violation of ones Human Rights and Dignity, denial of ones Democratic Rights, denial of ones access to their land and property, collective punishment on innocent by a military might, creating resentment, anger and hate between the two communities that would lead to another war sooner or later, because there never going to be harmony on the island when you can see your "enemy" across the divide who took your land away. You are not just supporting partition, you are supporting all of the above, and that is the reason why you are morally corrupted.

My only 'crime' (in your view) is that I espouse partition as the only means to ensure peace between the communities.

You wanting partition and self determination for the TC's is not as I described above that makes you morally corrupted Expat, because we had this conversation couple of weeks ago where you were exposed of being a big Hypocrite as well as being morally corrupted. I also want people to have their own self determination as a nation. But for someone who claims to know a lot about Cyprus, failed to see that it is Cyprus and Cypriots that deserve to have self determination from others and not different ethnic communities from each other. You do not want it in California for the Mexicans, or the Blacks, or the Japanese, who by far, over thousands times had worse experiences, that they have endured in the hands of "Americans", but yet you do not want self determination for those people. Why is that Expat. Are you Racist towards Mexicans, the Blacks, or the Japanese. How about Gays having their own self determination in the States. Are you for them, or are you also Racist towards them.

I'm just bringing the Race factor, because I'm lost to try and figure you out Expat. You cannot ask for partition for the TC's, when their plight in Cyprus were minuscule in comparison to the groups I have mentioned above. Then you go on to say, that partition will bring peace. Are you that blind or do you just live on making wishful thinking that peace will follow a partition by force. The last 40+ years has not brought peace Expat despite the division. All it has done, it gave the TC's some security at great cost. Don't confuse Peace and Security, which I believe is what you are doing. What Cyprus and Cypriots need is PEACE and the rest will fall in place. If you don't want to support peace in Cyprus, we don't need you supporting war and misery for the future of my country with your partition wishes.

Expat, be careful you do not have to reveal anything as I have also been grilled like you to reveal specific information which you can rest assured with be used time and time again to try and weaken your arguments.

Kikapu I still do not believe you are a Turkish Cypriot anyway you can prove it beyond a doubt, you above post reeks I am a Greek Cypriot, the way you ridicule and minimalize the TC suffering proves this beyond a doubt, not even the most liberal of TCs would your specific line of argument or word post like you.

[Daemon]

Basically I can’t think more disgusting tribes from the neoGreeks the Turks and Cypriots and in every way morality will not drop from the sky for the Cypriot apes.

I hope what the Turkish biological trash (like VP) will understand that the only way to bring prosperity to the island is to throw out as much Turkish savages (yes they are and our land is small to feed the problem that Turks have with condoms) we can and build a European future. The only people will benefit from a division is the nationalistic military fagots from Turkey and their suckers, the TC"s will be eliminated and most of you will sucking Turkish dicks for a piece of bread.

[Kikapu]

Expat, be careful you do not have to reveal anything as I have also been grilled like you to reveal specific information which you can rest assured with be used time and time again to try and weaken your arguments.

Kikapu I still do not believe you are a Turkish Cypriot anyway you can prove it beyond a doubt, you above post reeks I am a Greek Cypriot, the way you ridicule and minimalize the TC suffering proves this beyond a doubt, not even the most liberal of TCs would your specific line of argument or word post like you.

VP,

My posts for Expatkiwi are design to give him a shot of reality on what the Cyprus situation is all about and not what is told to him by his "pen- pal" Denktash. He can say all the things he is saying blindly if he wants, but when I took him to task on his Hypocrisy on not wanting self determination to the Mexican, the Blacks, the Japanese and the Gays in his State of California under the same conditions that he wants partition for the TC's, just because he will be kicked out of his home. I don't personally care who or where he comes from. The point is, his posts are empty in sincerity and Integrity when others in his country have suffered far more than the TC's. If you think this statement ridicules and minimizes the TC's sufferings, then I'm afraid you do not know anything about American History, at least for the last 300-400 years.

My post to Expat had nothing to do with GC's or the TC's directly, other than making him see, that "just supporting partition" is not just supporting partition. It goes much much deeper than that. I'm sorry you take offence to my writings, but Expat does not understand the Cyprus Problems as he claims that he does. At least I have never hid my ethnicity, place of birth and my interest in Cyprus. I gave you credit for disclosing your birth place, whereas before hand, all your post were untrustworthy. At least now we have a better understand where your points of view are coming from. I'm sorry but, if a person does not want to tell a little bit about themselves, how on earth can you take his/her point of view very seriously, specially when they want the worst for your country. I can argue with you about partition all you want VP, because you are a Cypriot, but when a "stranger" wants the worse for my country, I tell him to "go and take a hike".

My goal is for all Cypriots to have a home and a country that is called Cyprus and not accept Expat's dribble. For all we know, he has a vested interest in the North owning plenty of GC land. The fact that he is "pen pals" with Denktash, makes that a very good possibility. I have family members who has done just that, so what makes Expat any special. I just don't think that Expats views and interest in Cyprus are very honourable.

[utu]

Daemon,

Expatkiwi has said repeatedly that while he supports the partition of Cyprus, he is not Turkish. Former NZ-er now in USA.

After reading through this thread, I can see that he has succeeded in one thing: exposing stereotypes. I won't go any further than that...

Utu.

[Daemon]

The stereotypes as about me are in your useless brains, if you mean the others maybe he is succeeding by his provocation.

What is your relationship with the Cyprus problem?

He is not a TC?

So what the fuck he wants from here(maybe my dick?) ?

[Daemon]

I don’t say what is easy to get over the past of this hilarious forum especially after TPap trash humiliated completely our positions and brought all this hatred, but little shaking now that we still have hope can’t harm someone.

TPap is a past and the argument what we do not want a solution is no longer valid, everyone must realize his responsibility and stop pretending the innocent virgin and now that we thrown out TPap is the TC’s turn to at least try to protect their (and ours) community from the Turks and they do have responsibility, not only in front of the victims of 74 but also in front of their history as a TC community that is about to eliminated.

As about the NZ-er now in USA and the other fagots, they can go fuck their slef's or they can try the taste of my dick. We have many smart idiots already and we do not need whores and fagots to show us the way for division.

And now I heard that I have even more to say to this fucked fagot.