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[Big Al]

What is it with the Greek flag ?

I have one of those in my collection. Just because I don't like some of the policies of Greece doesn't meangt that I don't appreciate a good looking flag....

Anyway, the problem of mutual suspicion from historical emnity is still there and this is a problem not unique to Cyprus. Still, this is the Cyprus Forum and I'm still not hearing anything compelling to pursuade me to drop my pro-partitionist stance. I'm am still visualizing Greek Mobs running Turks out of houses and forcing them into enclaves again out of vindictiveness should reunification occur. In short, what Serbs did to their minorities in the former Yugoslavia. And - for the sake of argument - if such people are in the minority in Greek Cyprus, what would the majority do about it? Just stand aside and let it happen (most likely)?
People like Oracle make it clear what she thinks about persons with Turkish ancestery, and I can VERY easilly see her running Lynch mobs over a prostate Northern Cyprus... How can she convince me that I'm wrong?

thats why if, and thats a BIG IF, cyprus is uinfied Turkey will still always have forces on the island

[Expatkiwi]

thats why if, and thats a BIG IF, cyprus is uinfied Turkey will still always have forces on the island

If retaining Turkish troops is the only sure way of protecting the Turkish Cypriot people, then so be it. The Greek Cypriots - given their attitudes - I believe cannot be relied upon to fairly treat them...

[Big Al]

lets just say partition will save everyone alot of time.

[Expatkiwi]

lets just say partition will save everyone alot of time.

Thats what I believe as well, but because most nations like Turkey-bashing, having Turkey guarantee the Turkish Cypriot populace's safety is therefore 'wrong'....

[miltiades]

What is it with the Greek flag ?

What is your problem with my Greek flag ? What is your problem with Greeks ? You seem to have an obsession with attacking anything that is Greek ! I think the confused one here is you

I do not attack anything either Greek or Turkish , I just think that by hoisting a flag of a foreign nation by a Cypriot , I take it of course that you are a Cypriot , is an insult to the Cypriot ethnicity , one that stretches back 8 thousand years long before the invention of either the Greek or Turkish flag.
May I also add that the Cypriot conflict and the thousands that died as a result of the invasion can be attributed solely on these two foreign symbols.
Besides what is a T/C doing with a Greek flag as an avatar , strange would you not agree unless of course your thoroughly mixed up like the other one , BigAll !!!

[miltiades]

lets just say partition will save everyone alot of time.

Thats what I believe as well, but because most nations like Turkey-bashing, having Turkey guarantee the Turkish Cypriot populace's safety is therefore 'wrong'....

You seem to know rather a lot about the G/Cs and Cyprus in general , would you perhaps care to elaborate the events that led you to take such a keen interest in the Cypriot affair !!
My opinion is that your knowledge is one gained superficially and selectively and not based on factual and realistic observations.
Who the hell do you think you are by telling me whose Cypriot ancestors go back thousands of years on this island that I should accept the annexation of part of my country to a foreign nation.
As far as Turkey bashing and mistrusting of Turkey by the G/Cs , and I also believe by a large section of the T/CS too , is there a valid reason that you know which would ensure that the 80 plus % of the Cypriot public should trust Turkey . The 15 or so millions of Kurds dont have much trust in Turkey either , is there a reason for this I wonder.
As for your usage of this sentence: ""but because most nations like Turkey-bashing, having Turkey guarantee the Turkish Cypriot populace's safety is therefore 'wrong'
Are you seriously suggesting that the Cypriots ought to trust a nation , a third world nation that is , and forgo their preferred trustees ie Europe and the UN in favour of Turkey with article 301 thrown in as a safety net !!!

[pantheman]

Okay, Folks.

Varios threads have been talking about the dynamic being changed on the island due to EU membership, and thus fears of enosis by the Turkish north are no longer valid. The problem is that the historical emnity between the Turks and the Greeks is still there. The intercommunal strife of the sixties and seventies can also not simply be forgotten.

Now, this is going to surprise a lot of my GC adversaries, but there is a lot of merit in what you say. EU membership is an advantage for all, and the talking about respecting full democratic rights (i.e., numbers), without special perks for any one group - if sincerely followed- would be ensuring democracy.

The problem is - and this is why I favor partiton - is that historical emnity is a beast not easilly tamed. The Turkish Cypriot people feel themselves under siege. All it takes is for hotheads on either side to attack the other group, and its going to flare up again.

Stereotyping on both sides has been rampant, and I have to admit, I have been guilty of this as well. I personally feel that Greeks and Greek Cypriots cannot be trusted to keep their word given to the Turkish populace, and that Greeks simply regard Turks as inferior savages. I havwe a number of Turkish and Turkish Cypriot friends, and I regard that attitide as - at best - an insult to them, and to me.

So, the question is this: How can the Turkish Cypriots be pursuaded to drop their fears about reunification? The rejection of the Anan Plan by the Greek Cypriots certainly did not help in this regard. It just perpetuates the mistrust and insincerity of both sides to compromise.

And here is the real problem, you have made an assumption that is totally wrong here. You have blamed the GCs for everything and the TCs for nothing. You may not trust us, so why the hell are you expecting us to trust you, with your massive armies on our shores and your mass importation of illegals to back up your numbers.

Seems to me, it is us that should be the fearful ones, you cheeky bastard.

We were right to reject the Ankara Plan, so we wouldn't have to keep bending for your pleasure, asshole.

And the answer to your question "How can the Turkish Cypriots be pursuaded to drop their fears about reunification?", is.......... Fuck off back to Turkey and leave us in peace you savages.

I am all for a fair and JUST solution, but when you get pricks like this who just constantly spreading shit and just look at all the posters, apart from Miltiades, are all TC/Turks, who just jump on the bandwagon and help him spread it.

Well you know what you lot can do. Take a hike.

[observer]

From this thread alone:

If you take a good look at the sociological side of Cyprus from the 1500s onwards you’ll find that the Turkish Cypriots were always TURKS first and whatever else after

Who the hell do you think you are by telling me whose Cypriot ancestors go back thousands of years on this island that I should accept the annexation of part of my country to a foreign nation

Not that anyone except GCs are suggesting that any part of Cyprus gets annexed to anyone else.

...is there a valid reason that you know which would ensure that the 80 plus % of the Cypriot public should trust Turkey

Are you seriously suggesting that the Cypriots ought to trust a nation, a third world nation

We were right to reject the Ankara Plan, so we wouldn't have to keep bending for your pleasure, asshole.

Fuck off back to Turkey and leave us in peace you savages.

... when you get pricks like this who just constantly spreading shit and just look at all the posters, apart from Miltiades, are all TC/Turks, who just jump on the bandwagon and help him spread it.

Well you know what you lot can do. Take a hike.

All of which rather shows that Expatkiwi might have a point - and Oracle has yet to add her comments.

[pantheman]

And your point is....... exactly ?????

Not he doesn't have a point at all. You need to change your handle as you powers of observation have just gone out of the window. Read the whole post in the context in which it was written and never mind trying to impress us with your cut and paste quoting skills.

Jeeezzzus.

[zan]

Expat, your conclusion of the “problem” is based on the assumption that Greek Cypriots already trust the Turkish Cypriots, despite centuries of TC disloyalty against Cyprus, and that all that remains now if for the GCs to also earn the trust of the TCs and the problem is gone!

If you take a good look at the sociological side of Cyprus from the 1500s onwards you’ll find that the Turkish Cypriots were always TURKS first and whatever else after. At best, this is referred to as a conflict of interests.

This from a man that was using the 93% vote FOR ENOSIS as a basis for majority rule......Was Cyprus in your minds when that vote was cast...