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[shahmaran]

Plus Hitler hated Jews, not because they were genetically inferior but probably because they were superior, now is Hitler not racist either?

If so, maybe you can take your "scientific argument" to the ECHR so that they can jail you for "insulting the dead or denying the genocide" or something equally silly

[Kikapu]

I don't want to get into this argument, because there's nothing there there. In order to accuse authorities of not doing anything to those who violently damaged a car that happen to have had TC's in it, the authorities had to have caught the violators in the first place and then let them go with a smile, because the attacked were TC's. What I got from Halil's report was, the TC's reported the incident to a GC police officers as they were crossing back to the North. A little too late to catch the offenders at that moment would you not agree Iceman.

Last time such an incident happened it was bang in the middle of the busiest high street in the whole of Cyprus.
Makarios Avenue and yes there was police officers present because it was a demonstration to condemn the anniversary of 1974 war.
Guess what the police officers did when the TC car was attacked? turned their faces away...yes they preferred to ignore the situation.

The fact that a minor incident such as car vandalizing can make it into a newspaper in the North, can only to incite resentment towards the GC's in the South and possibly towards any peace negotiations. Do all car vandals in the North get press coverage also when committed by "Turks on Turks".

Any crime incident reported to the newspapers will get coverage regardless of who commited the crime...Yes the car vandals in the north do get get press coverage...BUT this is not a simple car vandalising as you all like to look at..
IT WILL SOONER OR LATER TURN NASTY if not dealt with...

Iceman,

I am a little disappointed in you for not addressing my question more honestly than you have. I'm use to getting a "run around" from some others on the forum, but not from you. The question was, did the GC authorities deliberately refuse to assist the TC's in this attack on their vehicle.?? We now know from Halil, that the incident was not even reported to the authorities, or perhaps only as they were getting ready to cross into the North. So the answer can only be, "the authorities did not deliberately assist the TC's, because they never knew about it at the time of the incident". Very simple. Instead you gave me another example on what happened on Makarios Street last year, which was initially reported by VP and we have had extensive discussion on that, which was over exaggerated by VP until you gave us the English translation to it.

This is how VP reported it.

A family of TCs who went south on the 20//7 thinking they were safe and firm supporters of trusting GCs and reunification were beaten up and spat on by angry GCs, was this reported in your press?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus12390 ... tcs+beaten

Your translation from the Turkish newspaper was this.

On the 20th of July,after spending three hours shopping in Nicosia,while driving on Makarios Avenue,Yucedal familys car was attacked by about 200 GC's who were protesting the 20th of July aniversary...While driving in trafic,their car was attacked by these protesters kicking the car and using flag poles,bottles and sticks to hit the vehicle..
luckily the traffic was not very busy on Makarios Avenue so they managed to speed away.
Mete Yucedal has said,since the checkpoints have opened they had been crossing over frequently for shopping but after this incident they will not be crossing over again.
Esra Yucedal said,we were attacked from the passenger side of the car where i was sitting..I was shocked and terrified,they swore abuse and spat all over me..cannot describe the nightmare we went through..but the worst was seeing the police watching everything and not reacting at all...I will never be crossing over again and do not want any peace with these people..
Tamer Yucedal has said,"I have arrived from London through Larnaca 10 days ago..I have been using Larnaca since the checkpoints opened,but after this incident i will not be using Larnaca anymore:ı will cancel may return ticket and travel back to London from the north..I will be telling this bad experience to newspapers when i get back to London..I dont know how these people were accepted into EU...
We,as a family have been firm supporters of peace & unification in Cyprus but now i see it is not possible to have peace with these people"..

Kıbris newspaper has noted that on the same day,smaller but similar other incidents were reported to the newspaper by phone.. http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus12390-80.html

My response was.

I have few questions and an observation to make.

This family have been coming to the South often as well as supporting a peace and unification. How does one go from that to "we can't have peace with these people and how did they get into the EU" with just one incident.?

Where did all this irrelevant Political Jargon come from all of a sudden.? The only thing that was damaged, if any, was the car. No one was physically hurt, so whats with the "I'm going to tell my story to all the papers upon my return to the UK and by the way, I'll never fly from Larnaca again".

Is this person for real, that an off chance incident on a very hostile day, that they run into a demonstration, and this person cannot separate a mop mentality towards them and reality of all his past trouble free experiences in the South. Is he being a opportunist and seeking attention or what, or was he coached by others to reach his decision ??. I would have thought, a reasonable person will make the connection of the date, the demonstration, and his passed experience in the South and said, "shit happens"..

Something stinks in Denmark and I don't think it's the cheese.!!!

By the way, VP claimed that these people were "beaten up". So what is VP's excuse for exaggerating his post.?? http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus12390-100.html

I personally had a lot of doubts in the 100% factual information given by the family about the incident on Makarios street, specially about the police not helping them. There were just too many "political spins" for an incident that should have been the case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The three identical similarities between the two "incident", was that the TC car was at a Red Light, but only the cars got damaged and not the occupants, and the incidents were not reported to the authorities in timely fashion, if ever, but they were very eager to report the "incidents" to a TC newspaper in the North. There are just too many questions that props up in my mind, as to the actual true facts of both the events.

At least you have confirmed Iceman that car vandalism also occurs in the North between "Turks on Turks" and it is not isolated only between the TC and GC communities. As for the papers reporting such no-news reports, must not have anything better to report I guess. Halil proves it quiet often actually.

[zan]

Was there a pinacle point in Kiks post or did I miss something Kiks doubts it so it must be!!!!

[Oracle]

I don't think i hate Greeks as much as i hate football, in fact i don't think i hate the Greeks at all, how can i hate them, they are my compatriots and partners in crime, hating them would be pretty hypocritical don't you think?

Oh wait, no you don't, that's because you are a racist hypocrite!

Hating doesn't make you a racist. Believing the object of your hate is genetically inferior ... does.

I make no claims about the genetic inferiority of the Turks ... otherwise I would have reason to forgive them, on the basis of diminished responsibility.

No, the Turk is very much a standard Human ... able to take full responsibility for his actions ...

Well im glad that the only part you picked up from my response was the part that you had to defend yourself against my racial claims, and thank you for your genetic compassion but i think it has come a tad little too late.

You have made far too many racist claims (especially ones based on genetic inferiority) to be able to put the pieces back together now and we all know what a capable woman you really are and i do expect you to be able to make sensible judgements but all you have done is irrational racist demands while calling them "solutions", Phoenix you would make a serious comedian, i mean you are a one woman show!

With the amount of contradiction you are presenting madam, we can all sit back and watch Phoenix argue with her self while proving herself wrong, and at other times maybe even right, tho i wouldn't hold my breath for the former

You always resort to unsubstantiated character assassinations whenever you fail to find an academic response to matters under discussion regarding the Cyprus problem.

You continually make these irrational claims on matters clearly beyond your comprehension ..... yet can never provide any evidence when challenged.

By simply blaming me does not make me guilty .... and in fact I am one of the few who does not believe in separate races, only a gradation of individual characteristics amongst one Human Race.

So show me some evidence of where your little inferior (but not genetically so) mind has misunderstood ...

LOL i never knew you were seriously backing up your RACIST claims with proven academic arguments.

In that case I'm sorry to have blamed you with no real proof, i always thought you were pretty self explanatory, but i guess it was just me so i take it all back

But let me also just add that you are contradicting yourself one more time by blaming me for doing nothing but character assassinations instead of arguing the point with a counter argument, but yet here you are assassinating my character for it!

I know very well that races are not very separate and that there is gradation between them, nothing in nature is that clear cut, but im not the racist one here you are, i have never claimed the opposite nor advocated anything along that line.

If you are so "scientifically correct" then why not explain to me what part of "hating Turks" is scientifically correct and just shut me up for ever instead of attacking me?

I'm sure many would applaud you for it

I mean all i have to do is list the titles of every single thread you have started so far and let the other people be the judge but I'm too lazy and not so ambitious about proving your racist traits, plus I'm not the only "inferior" one who finds your views very extreme so I'm not the only one with such claims about you either. You have done it to yourself with all your claims and theories and metaphors and "scientific knowledge", I'm merely pointing out the obvious.

On top of all this you have the audacity to call for an Admin every time the ball is in your court like a little girl, you are so laughable it is almost charming.

When did I call Admin other than to ask to have threads placed in the right section so that we can debate appropriately without "locks".

You have seriously nothing to add regarding my feelings ... you cannot even distinguish between emotive feelings and scientific facts ....

Please attempt discussing points... I am seriously bored with you resorting to unsubstantiable labels whenever you have nothing to say or add to the total sum of human knowledge ...

I guess you got turned down for that job you had the interview for and are now taking it out on me ....

[Oracle]

Plus Hitler hated Jews, not because they were genetically inferior but probably because they were superior, now is Hitler not racist either?

If so, maybe you can take your "scientific argument" to the ECHR so that they can jail you for "insulting the dead or denying the genocide" or something equally silly

You would know about Hitler, he thought "highly" of Turks ....

[Kikapu]

Was there a pinacle point in Kiks post or did I miss something Kiks doubts it so it must be!!!!

My post was for the grown-ups Zan.

A posts for you will follow soon with "The Flintstones". :lol:

[zan]

I think a little hormone replacement is needed for our dear Oracle.........It's an age thing!!!!!

[zan]

Was there a pinacle point in Kiks post or did I miss something Kiks doubts it so it must be!!!!

My post was for the grown-ups Zan.

A posts for you will follow soon with "The Flintstones". :lol:

Delusions of grandeur again Mate........You do make me laugh with your judge and jury posts.......

People go through an ordeal where they have no idea to what extent the perpetrators will go to and you question their response and say that they should have just laughed it off and carried on as if nothing happened......

[Kikapu]

Was there a pinacle point in Kiks post or did I miss something Kiks doubts it so it must be!!!!

My post was for the grown-ups Zan.

A posts for you will follow soon with "The Flintstones". :lol:

Delusions of grandeur again Mate........You do make me laugh with your judge and jury posts.......

People go through an ordeal where they have no idea to what extent the perpetrators will go to and you question their response and say that they should have just laughed it off and carried on as if nothing happened...... :roll:

Where in my post did I even suggest the above Zan. This is exactly what I'm talking about as to why some reports lose credibility in their statements, just as your post did above. Thank you for the example given above.

[zan]

Was there a pinacle point in Kiks post or did I miss something Kiks doubts it so it must be!!!!

My post was for the grown-ups Zan.

A posts for you will follow soon with "The Flintstones". :lol:

Delusions of grandeur again Mate........You do make me laugh with your judge and jury posts.......

People go through an ordeal where they have no idea to what extent the perpetrators will go to and you question their response and say that they should have just laughed it off and carried on as if nothing happened...... :roll:

Where in my post did I even suggest the above Zan. This is exactly what I'm talking about as to why some reports lose credibility in their statements, just as your post did above. Thank you for the example given above.

Here is a little clue:

This family have been coming to the South often as well as supporting a peace and unification. How does one go from that to "we can't have peace with these people and how did they get into the EU" with just one incident.?