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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:24 pm

iceman wrote:piratis
Once again you are simplifying and ignoring a very important issue..
As i stated on my previous post, as long as idiots responsible for these attacks are not punished,your administration is silently approving this behaviour and sooner or later it will turn nasty.Is this what you want?Do you not know if & when some TC gets hurt from such an attack the response from fanatic TC's will be doing the same to some innocent GC who happens to be in the north?Is this what your administration is trying to achieve so that you can all start screaming to the rest of the world "come & see what the barbaric Turks are doing to innocent GC's wisiting their properties in north Cyprus"
This is exactly how these two communities got dragged into the mess we are in today...


Iceman, in my previous post I quoted articles posted during the past year, that mention among other things that the car of Frixos Savvides (former minister) was damaged, and also Larnaca’s Police Chief was attacked and injured by these same Hooligans.

So how can you imply that the police is not punishing those people intentionally? Does the police like it when its own members are attacked, or the goverment when the cars of ministers are damaged?

If some of those people are not punished the only reason is that there are no evidence against them to make a case in the court, not because there is any unwillingness to punish them.

The problem with those people is a general one and it has nothing to do with anything else.

Very often for example we have such fights between Limassol and Nicosia Hooligans. If you go to an AEL - APOEL game you will hear all kind of swearing against Limassolians and Nicosians. Does it mean that the general population of Limassol should the next day after the game start to beat up or swear against the Nicosians and vice versa?

The Hooligans thing is a general one, and if there are TC Hooligans that want to play that kind of nasty games as well, then those TC Hooligans will be part of the same problem.

But that kind of problem is a relatively small one compared to the problem you want to create by using that as an excuse. You want to use events created by some Hooligans as an excuse to spark a whole conflict between all people of the two communities.

What we should do is to fight against Hooligans instead of acting like them and making a relatively small problem that exists in many countries into a "Cyprus Problem" with mass human rights violations and crimes.
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Postby DT. » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:28 am

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Get Real! wrote:I don't have the details of this particular event but your attempt to undermine DT's father-in-law's murder can only encourage my indifference to your plight.


I had no intention of undermining the incident which resulted with tragic death of DT's father in law.I stated before and i will repeat that i strongly condemn the way he was treated while under custody.He was (unintentionally) denied the specialist treatment which his poor health condition required.This was purely because of the incompetent doctors wrong diagnosis when they checked him and gave a clean bill that he would be OK in custody.This wrong diagnosis led to deterioration of his health which was already poor and eventually his death.When they realized how serious his condition was they did their best to save him but it was too late..He was not "murdered".


Iceman, this has nothing to do with these stupid kids but FYI, my father in law had 11 lower broken ribs when they brought him over to us.

And yes you and Halil proved true friends then.
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Postby halil » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:33 am

This is another version of the ......

things are confusing .....
TC guys said they were coming from work .... below report says they were Omania funs ..... ?????

Another weekend, another bout of football violence
By Andreas Avgousti

FOOTBALL violence reared its ugly head again in last weekend’s games, at a time when a bill to clamp down on the violence is due to be sent to the Plenum for approval.

The signs were there from the start at the Omonia versus APOEL game on Saturday evening.

Two 16-year-olds were arrested early on, one for possession of flares and the other for unauthorised pitch entry.

Both were charged in writing and released, pending a court order.

Meanwhile, intermittent violence continued throughout the game, as fans from both sides hurled objects (including coins, lighters, and flares) at each other.

The police stood by as this went on, the result being an injury to a 26-year-old woman from Nicosia, who needed first aid treatment at the stadium’s medical centre.

After the game had ended, two APOEL fans attacked Turkish Cypriot Omonia fans.
According to the Turkish Cypriot press, the car the Turkish Cypriots were in was stoned and a window broke, but the incident was not reported to the police.

Earlier in the day, Apollon Limassol fans set fire to the plastic seats of their own stadium, at their team’s match against relegation strugglers Aris.

The fans are thought to have been expressing their dissatisfaction at their team’s under-performance (Apollon lost 3-1), chanting “Sold Out” at their players.

And if you thought that football violence is confined to the professional leagues, you could not be more mistaken.

On the pitch violence took place at the game between CyTA and A.D. The City for the second division of the Nicosia amateur championship.

During a scuffle between a 42-year-old player and a member of the opposing team, a small number of fans charged onto the field and began to beat the middle aged footballer.

He was taken to the First Aid department of the Nicosia General Hospital for treatment.

Last week, Chairman of the House Legal Affairs Committee, DISY’s Ionas Nicolaou outlined some of the provisions of the new law against football violence.

The long-overdue law provides that football fans should present their ID cards in order to purchase tickets to a stadium and they will then be given designated seats.

In the event of violent incidents, the police will have the implicated person’s identity straight away, also helped by footage secured from CCTV cameras.

Apart from a hefty fine and/or imprisonment, perpetrators of violent acts will be banned from all sports areas.

Nicolaou said this would be enforced by having convicted fans report to a police station and remain there for the duration of a weekend’s football matches.
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Postby zan » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:53 am

Bananiot posted this link... http://www.dothetest.co.uk/


It is amazing what people will miss.......


So I can imagine.....


The TC car was not at the lights alone or at the front of the line of cars.....

Yes the violence is football related but the anger was directed at the TCs and not at the other cars and they could not drive off because there were other cars in the way.

This is the sort of behavior that will have the whole street alight inn a mixed Cyprus without time to get used to living together and trust to form over many years. Thee is a mixture of coincidence and hate and corruption here which cannot be explained away with a simple football match but never the less a simple football match plays a big part.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:06 pm

Ban football! It is no longer a sport but a means for all kinds of perverts to let off steam.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:37 pm

Nikitas wrote:Ban football! It is no longer a sport but a means for all kinds of perverts to let off steam.



Bring back 'Gladiatorial' games for football fanatics and keep the gates locked, I say. :lol:
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:27 pm

AHAHAHA i love the way Phoenix quickly jumps in to protest and hide the crimes of her own kind while all she does is similar if not worse kind of propaganda around the forum, good on ya Phoenix show everyone what a sad little irrational hippocrite lady you really are :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby gomesilva » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:34 pm

Well.. this is a really small example to see that a solution to Cyprus will be something really hard to find... :(
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:39 pm

shahmaran wrote:AHAHAHA i love the way Phoenix quickly jumps in to protest and hide the crimes of her own kind while all she does is similar if not worse kind of propaganda around the forum, good on ya Phoenix show everyone what a sad little irrational hippocrite lady you really are :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I am not a hypocrite; I hate football and I hate Turks .... :wink:

Seems to me you end up with a synergistic effect combining the two .....
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:44 pm

I don't think i hate Greeks as much as i hate football, in fact i don't think i hate the Greeks at all, how can i hate them, they are my compatriots and partners in crime, hating them would be pretty hypocritical don't you think? :lol: :lol:

Oh wait, no you don't, that's because you are a racist hypocrite! :roll:
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