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[zan]

...exactly. consider the words State vs Government, Individual vs Person to start, if you seek clarity. In my opinion we need to define these points to have a clear understanding of ourselves, toward establishing/ reestablishing the Bicommunal nature of our desires.

But that is what we have been fighting for all along.....That is what the Annan Plan was all about. In order to get the clarity we have to cross the T's and dot the I's as with 260 pages of the plan and 9000 pages of laws.

[repulsewarrior]

...have you read the Annan plan?

[zan]

...have you read the Annan plan?

Yes...Did it all make sense to me..No!! Have you????? I have read a few analysis' of it though.

[repulsewarrior]

yes I did, the Constitution, and the other proposals that Halil was gracious enough to provide for us.

of them all it is the least clear and in my mind the most open ended.

...and I believe that we (Cypriots) can do better for ourselves, now.

consider my proposal, it is much more suitable and it is not much different to the other proposals produced through the good offices of the UN.

[zan]

yes I did, the Constitution, and the other proposals that Halil was gracious enough to provide for us.

of them all it is the least clear and in my mind the most open ended.

...and I believe that we (Cypriots) can do better for ourselves, now.

consider my proposal, it is much more suitable and it is not much different to the other proposals produced through the good offices of the UN.

I have to be honest and say that I did not read your proposal but I will have a look tomorrow if I get the time...Please post the link again.

I am for any agreement RW...The operative word being agreement....I do not agree with the cantons you have mentioned before. I do not believe there should be any more mass movement of people.

I really am on my last legs for tonight so I will bid you a good night and talk again tomorrow.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

...there will be displaced with any solution, and of those already displaced, some will want to return to their lives.

for me the issue is not the cost, you get what you pay for, but what gives us the best potential for the prospreity of the island and its people.

[Expatkiwi]

yes I did, the Constitution, and the other proposals that Halil was gracious enough to provide for us.

of them all it is the least clear and in my mind the most open ended.

...and I believe that we (Cypriots) can do better for ourselves, now.

consider my proposal, it is much more suitable and it is not much different to the other proposals produced through the good offices of the UN.

Well then, the answer in simple: Have a group of Greek Cypriots meet up with a group of Turkish Cypriots (as well as representatives of the Marionite Cypriots and Armenian Cypriots) and form a conventional committee to hash out a new constitution. Give the Cyprus Problem a chance to be solved by Cypriots. Personally, there is a much higher probability of Hell freezing over, but if you really beleive in what you said about Cypriots doing better, try it...

[Big Al]

Expatkiwi, since the GC are demanding the Turkish settlers move back to Turkey (key reason for not supporting the annan plan) are the TC's not entitled to demand other migrant groups such as armenian's leave cyprus also???

[Expatkiwi]

Expatkiwi, since the GC are demanding the Turkish settlers move back to Turkey (key reason for not supporting the annan plan) are the TC's not entitled to demand other migrant groups such as armenian's leave cyprus also???

Big Al, I do hate to say this, but this Turkish immigration is doing more harm than good to both Northern Cyprus and Turkey. The immigrants outnumber the native Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot culture is being diluted as a result. I'm sure that you've heard about barbaric practives in Turkey such as 'honor killings', and seeing immigrants start practing that on Northen Cypriot soil is pretty repugnant to me.
The Turkish Cypriot diaspora need to return to TRNC. The settlers are not a solution in my opinion...

[zan]

Expatkiwi, since the GC are demanding the Turkish settlers move back to Turkey (key reason for not supporting the annan plan) are the TC's not entitled to demand other migrant groups such as armenian's leave cyprus also???

Big Al, I do hate to say this, but this Turkish immigration is doing more harm than good to both Northern Cyprus and Turkey. The immigrants outnumber the native Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriot culture is being diluted as a result. I'm sure that you've heard about barbaric practives in Turkey such as 'honor killings', and seeing immigrants start practing that on Northen Cypriot soil is pretty repugnant to me.
The Turkish Cypriot diaspora need to return to TRNC. The settlers are not a solution in my opinion...

They are a political solution Expat and will prove an economic one in the future......My sisters report on the Turkish issue...And Hatice Hanims for that matter is that the Turks bring good as well as bad. Some cannot even be separated from the Cypriot brothers. People grow and so will they. They are not all animals as some would have you believe.I agree that the diaspora need to return and will when economics are better.Like me, some will have to wait until childrens education is finished other issues are tied up and then who knows, my sons and daughter might move home as well.