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[purdey]

Back on topic.
I see no real difference in the Youth of Britain and the youth of the world.Yes we have the headlines,gun crime,gang crime,but it has not got to epedemic proportions.
We have a split in the UK,inner cities and the rest,the rest rarely commented on as there is little or no news of any real decent.Maybe the British should focus more on the positive it has to offer and not label young people because of the attire they wish to wear.
Immigrants,I see no problem,in fact I welcome anyone who wishes to add their skills and their diversity to the UK.

[Sophia1]

Thanks Purdey

[sweetie pie]

Back on topic.
I see no real difference in the Youth of Britain and the youth of the world.Yes we have the headlines,gun crime,gang crime,but it has not got to epedemic proportions.
We have a split in the UK,inner cities and the rest,the rest rarely commented on as there is little or no news of any real decent.Maybe the British should focus more on the positive it has to offer and not label young people because of the attire they wish to wear.
Immigrants,I see no problem,in fact I welcome anyone who wishes to add their skills and their diversity to the UK.

What a good post!! You are quite right of course. The trouble with the British media is that they think bad news sells papers. Good news is seldom reported. We are no better or worse than other European countries and I have to say despite everything generally tolerant of others. In the main the people coming to the UK contribute, work and pay taxes. Of course there are those who rip the system off but that can be said of all the EU its just that our media are insular and do not look at the broad picture

[beverley10]

All over the world people have problems.This is a fact of life.I spent nearly a year in Cyprus and for the most part it was an enjoyable experience.Had my husband been able to get employment and settled as I did,we would still be there.Having said that, I am not unhappy to be back in the UK near friends and family and with the NHS on my doorstep.Should we ever need financial help,it will be there for us (hopefully we will not need it) and our health is also taken care of.Yes,things are expensive and we feel ripped off by the never ending tax demands etc,but we do'nt go hungry and have a roof over our heads and hubby has his old job back(not well paid,but a job).Crime is worldwide and comes in various forms,the UK quite mild compared with other countries.I feel safe enough in the country town I now live in as do many thousands over here.I would not maybe feel the same iff I lived in a big city in a deprived area,so am not speaking for all.

[Bucksboy]

1) Children under the age of 12 commit crime
2) Families live off scraps whilst supermarket, Bills and petrol prices rise.
3) Fraud rise 25% in the last 6 months
4) Immigrants over take the British traditions as Brown receives a bigger pay cheque.
5) Pensioners have no pensions
6) Benefits are no longer available for the British
7) NHS staff are on strike

Over the last few years negative accounts of young people in British society appear
to have snowballed. Reports on youth gun crime, gang culture, murder, declining family values, ruptured community ties and a lack of respect for authority combined with a general indifference to politics and a decline in the number of young people voting tend to depict young people in Britain as disinterested,disaffected and perhaps even ‘lost’.

On the other hand there is a general recognition that young people today have an unprecedented level of freedom and choice in deciding their own future given the demise of traditional structures of constraint such as class, gender, race, ethnicity and authority generally in addition to the emergence of the internet as a significant tool of self-empowerment.

Yet the endeavours of an older generation holding power – either political, parental, pedagogic or some other form of authority – appear to sit in tension with addressing this very different situation facing today’s young people. Perhaps in an attempt to redress Britain’s ‘lost’ youth, the current power holders seem driven by a need to impose structures of education, work and family. Indeed, whilst Tony Blair’s ‘education, education, education’ may be a thing of the past it has returned in less
rhetorical statements made by Gordon Brown in his speech to TUC in Brighton, where the emphasis is less on education and more on ‘training’, ‘skills’ and ‘qualifications’ to obtain ‘secure, well paid, high quality jobs’. These attempts to impose structures on young people are problematic not only because the temporal regulatory framework of school, qualifications then career are more disrupted and
open nowadays but also because there is a lack of recognition for the very real agency of young people in deciding their future owing to their increased levels of autonomy, freedom and choice.
Similarly much of the research in the area of youth and the future focuses on the ways in which young people need to be inspired, developed, engaged and guided.

As Haste (2006) explains; “Such lamentations [of Britain’s ‘lost’ youth] prod us to find a fix”. In an attempt to annex outdated structures of authority onto a very differently situated youth, there is an overwhelming sense that young people need to have their future mapped out and decided for them; often grounded in an assumption of ‘we
know best’. Furthermore, much of the research focuses only on young people’s personal ambitions rather than wider and more fundamental questions of young people’s perceptions of future society and their place in it.

Bad news always hits the headlines!
For every feral youth there are thousands of decent young people and the same applies to adults and the same applies to Cyprus as well.

As for pensioners not having pensions...this is a new one on me.
Where did you pick up this nonsense from? The Cypriot press?

[miltiades]

I think the problem is one of "illegitimacy" Too many fatherless kids around , too many brothers with varying degrees of fathers , one family in the news recently the woman has 7 kids 5 fathers !!!In other words the nation is full of bastards !
Children growing up need a father figure , an uncle , a grand mother , relatives that they know .
What do we do in the UK ? Simple we abolish the word family from our dictionary we remove the word parents and substitute it with carers , we tell our kids that if you want to get on you must fiddle , just as our politicians do with our expenses , that includes that f..ng non driving , communist loving multicultural bullshitter Ken taking 80 people to China for a free for all Chicken Chow Ming !!!

[purdey]

To much emphasis on the state in the UK,family takes second stage,and I do not understand why.Maybe we are becoming a nation of bastards,it seems to be the theme of most political debates.
As for Ken, the man is a arrogant,self obsessed individual.

[The Saint]

I think the problem is one of "illegitimacy" Too many fatherless kids around , too many brothers with varying degrees of fathers , one family in the news recently the woman has 7 kids 5 fathers !!!In other words the nation is full of bastards !
Children growing up need a father figure , an uncle , a grand mother , relatives that they know .
What do we do in the UK ? Simple we abolish the word family from our dictionary we remove the word parents and substitute it with carers , we tell our kids that if you want to get on you must fiddle , just as our politicians do with our expenses , that includes that f..ng non driving , communist loving multicultural bullshitter Ken taking 80 people to China for a free for all Chicken Chow Ming !!!

I don't think the problem is illegitimcy, it's one of lack of dicipline, which leads to lack of respect.

The do-gooders have won the war against the parent and now a parent is not allowed to use corporal punishment "because it's againt the little darling's human rights".

Every child has the right to be taught the difference between right and wrong, what is and is not acceptable.

You can't do that by reasoning with the kids because they can't be reasoned with at the age when they need to be taught.

Children are like animals and thay have to get a quick smack when they step out of line.

This is not allowed when they are little and so they get to school knowing that they can do what the hell they like and the teachers have no tools to turn them round.

I say get rid of the do-gooders and put control back eith the parent.

I am sure that most kids are fine and have the correct values, but there is definitely a growth in yob culture when innocent families are devastated because these feral kids have beaten some father to death because he took umbrance at them smashing his car.

I say bring back corporal punishment and the cane.

SORTED!!

[Get Real!]

1) Children under the age of 12 commit crime
2) Families live off scraps whilst supermarket, Bills and petrol prices rise.
3) Fraud rise 25% in the last 6 months
4) Immigrants over take the British traditions as Brown receives a bigger pay cheque.
5) Pensioners have no pensions
6) Benefits are no longer available for the British
7) NHS staff are on strike

What's the matter possums I thought you liked England when only a few days ago you said...

Babe why move back to Cyprus?? My cousin is from Cyprus and he is also studying in Cambridge and wants to live over here when he finishes his studies.. Over the weekend we all met up at a Greek Restaurant and he was surprised to see his mates from Cyprus walk in which was really nice. They said they have found really good jobs over here and they will now live in the UK. I actually did mention that I lived in Cyprus for 2 years and she replied, who would want to live in Cyprus from uk?? We all want to come over here to live, its a better life.

Quit contradicting yourself you silly clown!

[sweetie pie]

1) Children under the age of 12 commit crime
2) Families live off scraps whilst supermarket, Bills and petrol prices rise.
3) Fraud rise 25% in the last 6 months
4) Immigrants over take the British traditions as Brown receives a bigger pay cheque.
5) Pensioners have no pensions
6) Benefits are no longer available for the British
7) NHS staff are on strike

Over the last few years negative accounts of young people in British society appear
to have snowballed. Reports on youth gun crime, gang culture, murder, declining family values, ruptured community ties and a lack of respect for authority combined with a general indifference to politics and a decline in the number of young people voting tend to depict young people in Britain as disinterested,disaffected and perhaps even ‘lost’.

On the other hand there is a general recognition that young people today have an unprecedented level of freedom and choice in deciding their own future given the demise of traditional structures of constraint such as class, gender, race, ethnicity and authority generally in addition to the emergence of the internet as a significant tool of self-empowerment.

Yet the endeavours of an older generation holding power – either political, parental, pedagogic or some other form of authority – appear to sit in tension with addressing this very different situation facing today’s young people. Perhaps in an attempt to redress Britain’s ‘lost’ youth, the current power holders seem driven by a need to impose structures of education, work and family. Indeed, whilst Tony Blair’s ‘education, education, education’ may be a thing of the past it has returned in less
rhetorical statements made by Gordon Brown in his speech to TUC in Brighton, where the emphasis is less on education and more on ‘training’, ‘skills’ and ‘qualifications’ to obtain ‘secure, well paid, high quality jobs’. These attempts to impose structures on young people are problematic not only because the temporal regulatory framework of school, qualifications then career are more disrupted and
open nowadays but also because there is a lack of recognition for the very real agency of young people in deciding their future owing to their increased levels of autonomy, freedom and choice.
Similarly much of the research in the area of youth and the future focuses on the ways in which young people need to be inspired, developed, engaged and guided.

As Haste (2006) explains; “Such lamentations [of Britain’s ‘lost’ youth] prod us to find a fix”. In an attempt to annex outdated structures of authority onto a very differently situated youth, there is an overwhelming sense that young people need to have their future mapped out and decided for them; often grounded in an assumption of ‘we
know best’. Furthermore, much of the research focuses only on young people’s personal ambitions rather than wider and more fundamental questions of young people’s perceptions of future society and their place in it.

Bad news always hits the headlines!
For every feral youth there are thousands of decent young people and the same applies to adults and the same applies to Cyprus as well.

As for pensioners not having pensions...this is a new one on me.
Where did you pick up this nonsense from? The Cypriot press?

Can't help but agree with you BB. But of course those who behave themselves do not make good news do they? The media have far too much say and determine the way some people think. They scare-monger and present news in a manner that causes unrest.

The above poster talks about the freedoms of the youth of today. Too much freedom to do nothing and making decisions they are certainly not mature enough to do so. There are no boundaries any more and that is as much to do with the failure of society to set them and to maintain them as anything else.