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[Jerry]

Erdogan letter to EU 26

TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a letter to 26 EU leaders stating that the Annan plan is the basis for future negotiations for the solution of the Cyprus problem.
Cyprus did not get one.

Erdogan’s Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, responding to the development yesterday, said the Annan plan had been rejected by the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots and no longer constituted a basis for negotiations.

The Greek Prime Minister referred to a recent statement made by Erdogan during Karamanlis’ visit in Ankara, in which he said that the Annan plan was not a basis for discussion.

“I want to reiterate that Turkey’s EU course depends on certain criteria and preconditions which have been expressed with clarity in EU decisions,” he concluded.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Erdogan, what a prat, he's causing trouble even before the talks start. He wants to be involved in the forthcoming negotiations but can't even show a little goodwill towards the ROC by sending it a copy. The talks are doomed before they start, but I hope I'm wrong.

[bill cobbett]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

[denizaksulu]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Personally I am fed up with Turkeys' attitude, but isnt it wise to see this Annan Mk II first before we all kick it out to touch?

[Tim Drayton]

Erdogan letter to EU 26

TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a letter to 26 EU leaders stating that the Annan plan is the basis for future negotiations for the solution of the Cyprus problem.
Cyprus did not get one.

Erdogan’s Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, responding to the development yesterday, said the Annan plan had been rejected by the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots and no longer constituted a basis for negotiations.

The Greek Prime Minister referred to a recent statement made by Erdogan during Karamanlis’ visit in Ankara, in which he said that the Annan plan was not a basis for discussion.

“I want to reiterate that Turkey’s EU course depends on certain criteria and preconditions which have been expressed with clarity in EU decisions,” he concluded.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Erdogan, what a prat, he's causing trouble even before the talks start. He wants to be involved in the forthcoming negotiations but can't even show a little goodwill towards the ROC by sending it a copy. The talks are doomed before they start, but I hope I'm wrong.

A petition calling for the closure of Erdogan's AKP party has just been filed with the constitutional court by Turkey's chief public prosecutor. He may not be in charge for much longer, anyway!

[bill cobbett]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Personally I am fed up with Turkeys' attitude, but isnt it wise to see this Annan Mk II first before we all kick it out to touch?

Ok D. certainly agree with you re RoT's (contemptuous?) attitude. But the wise electorate of the RoC has, only a few days ago, elected a new President and I am of the view that Mr X's platform and the mandate that he was given was to seek a solution/agreement but that the Anin Plan A was not to be a foundation for progress.

[Viewpoint]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Lets see if they can or even if it gets to that point, the GCs are playing a dangerous game another rejection will seal recognition, so they will either bow out very soon or accept that a BBF is better than partition.

[Viewpoint]

Erdogan letter to EU 26

TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a letter to 26 EU leaders stating that the Annan plan is the basis for future negotiations for the solution of the Cyprus problem.
Cyprus did not get one.

Erdogan’s Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, responding to the development yesterday, said the Annan plan had been rejected by the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots and no longer constituted a basis for negotiations.

The Greek Prime Minister referred to a recent statement made by Erdogan during Karamanlis’ visit in Ankara, in which he said that the Annan plan was not a basis for discussion.

“I want to reiterate that Turkey’s EU course depends on certain criteria and preconditions which have been expressed with clarity in EU decisions,” he concluded.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Erdogan, what a prat, he's causing trouble even before the talks start. He wants to be involved in the forthcoming negotiations but can't even show a little goodwill towards the ROC by sending it a copy. The talks are doomed before they start, but I hope I'm wrong.

Turkey does not recognize the GC south, why should they send them anything? Do you guys really believe the UN will start form zero, and repest everything in the AP , call it the Greek plan we dont care but the basic content will be used by the UN experts as a starting point.

[eracles]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Lets see if they can or even if it gets to that point, the GCs are playing a dangerous game another rejection will seal recognition, so they will either bow out very soon or accept that a BBF is better than partition.

If Turkey and The Turkish Cypriots are SERIOUS about a solution they should stop trying to wrankle the Greek Cypriots with this Annan Plan business.
Sure, I think elements of the annan plan will be in any new solution - the thing is christofias will have to sell it as something different in order to gain support. It's almost as if the TCs and Turks are trying to antagonise him from the outset.

My view: Turkey has met with Talat and said...

1. The TCs voted yes to the annan plan
2. The GCs voted no and realised they made amistake.
3. The GCs voted in christofias
4. The solution is either recognition of TRNC or what was under the annan plan, with some very minor changes, these will include some in Turkeys favour.
5. No other solution is on the table.
6. We will ensure this is put into a referendum and use the same formula and previously
7. Our number one achievement will be the GC refusal of the plan and the recognition of TRNC. We are close now, only a matter of years.
8. In summary the voting of christofias is a recognition that the GCsmade a mistake in not saying yes to the annan plan and this is their last opportunity to accept it - we must ensure that no solution is reached which weakens *Turkey's* position.

[Viewpoint]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Lets see if they can or even if it gets to that point, the GCs are playing a dangerous game another rejection will seal recognition, so they will either bow out very soon or accept that a BBF is better than partition.

If Turkey and The Turkish Cypriots are SERIOUS about a solution they should stop trying to wrankle the Greek Cypriots with this Annan Plan business.
Sure, I think elements of the annan plan will be in any new solution - the thing is christofias will have to sell it as something different in order to gain support. It's almost as if the TCs and Turks are trying to antagonise him from the outset.

My view: Turkey has met with Talat and said...

1. The TCs voted yes to the annan plan
2. The GCs voted no and realised they made amistake.
3. The GCs voted in christofias
4. The solution is either recognition of TRNC or what was under the annan plan, with some very minor changes, these will include some in Turkeys favour.
5. No other solution is on the table.
6. We will ensure this is put into a referendum and use the same formula and previously
7. Our number one achievement will be the GC refusal of the plan and the recognition of TRNC. We are close now, only a matter of years.
8. In summary the voting of christofias is a recognition that the GCsmade a mistake in not saying yes to the annan plan and this is their last opportunity to accept it - we must ensure that no solution is reached which weakens *Turkey's* position.

All the TCs side is saying that we have a foudation to build on call the foundation what you wish but saying it does not stem from the old AP is being pig headed for the sake of it, sell it how you like but the bottom line is that the UN cannot scrap the AP and start from zero. What we have to concentrate on is getting elements which made with GCs say No without losing the TCs yes, thats the trick and what we shoudl concentrate on. I also agree with our President Talat that there should be a timetable otherwise negotiations will be going on for many more years without any outcome. The AP process at least made both sides realize they had to negotiate as the dead line was expiring. The time scale can be as long as we want 1 year 2 years etc but there has to a date after which both sides will realize the outcome and the penalities for not using the process to reach an agreement.

[eracles]

I can see an Anon B plan coming that rewards the RoT for the invasion and occupation. Trust the good people of Cy will reject that as well.

Lets see if they can or even if it gets to that point, the GCs are playing a dangerous game another rejection will seal recognition, so they will either bow out very soon or accept that a BBF is better than partition.

If Turkey and The Turkish Cypriots are SERIOUS about a solution they should stop trying to wrankle the Greek Cypriots with this Annan Plan business.
Sure, I think elements of the annan plan will be in any new solution - the thing is christofias will have to sell it as something different in order to gain support. It's almost as if the TCs and Turks are trying to antagonise him from the outset.

My view: Turkey has met with Talat and said...

1. The TCs voted yes to the annan plan
2. The GCs voted no and realised they made amistake.
3. The GCs voted in christofias
4. The solution is either recognition of TRNC or what was under the annan plan, with some very minor changes, these will include some in Turkeys favour.
5. No other solution is on the table.
6. We will ensure this is put into a referendum and use the same formula and previously
7. Our number one achievement will be the GC refusal of the plan and the recognition of TRNC. We are close now, only a matter of years.
8. In summary the voting of christofias is a recognition that the GCsmade a mistake in not saying yes to the annan plan and this is their last opportunity to accept it - we must ensure that no solution is reached which weakens *Turkey's* position.

All the TCs side is saying that we have a foudation to build on call the foundation what you wish but saying it does not stem from the old AP is being pig headed for the sake of it, sell it how you like but the bottom line is that the UN cannot scrap the AP and start from zero. What we have to concentrate on is getting elements which made with GCs say No without losing the TCs yes, thats the trick and what we shoudl concentrate on. I also agree with our President Talat that there should be a timetable otherwise negotiations will be going on for many more years without any outcome. The AP process at least made both sides realize they had to negotiate as the dead line was expiring. The time scale can be as long as we want 1 year 2 years etc but there has to a date after which both sides will realize the outcome and the penalities for not using the process to reach an agreement.

let's start from where we are (july 8th) and move to annan plan as we progress...in terms of having a timetable - it didn't work out well last time, the whole 'let the meddlers fill in the gaps bit'....so while i agree a deadline focuses minds it should also be careful to not repeat history.